I wonder how this will work out for him
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Check the title of the thread, does it limit its scope to actions after his suspension?
I agree it’s subjective and that is why it’s up to the courts and judges. While someone might jump out with a knife and I might not bat an eyelid, someone else may be terrified. Yes, it’s subjective to an outsider and that is why we often hear in statements “I was in fear for my life”. It enforces how the victim was feeling and the judge will decide if it has merit.
I really don’t know what words the principal used but Enoch’s actions were sufficient for her to leave the dinner early to get away from him and initiate disciplinary proceedings. I would doubt the details would be revealed in full as there may be references to the child in question and they have to be protected.
Well, we know that if the family thinks they have a solid case they can act calmly and rationally, and are even willing to hire legal counsel to argue their case for them. And we know that in this particular case they have not done so. That seems to speak volumes about how strong they actually think their legal case is.
We also know what kind of behavior they are perfectly willing to resort to. We've seen repeatedly both in court and at the disciplinary hearing that they are willing to be so publicly abusive that the guards are required to remove them. I certainly consider the behavior shown in both places to be abusive, and with how consistently they act like that I have no problem assuming that his behavior at the church service and dinner were similar. If some people want to pretend like that isn't abuse that's on them.
What relevance does his actions at the school event(s) actually have on Burkes current situation? They are impossible to prove regardless.
If it wasn't for his actions after his suspension , it's highly likely none of us would have ever even heard about the issue.
Had the school issued their guidance about how they wanted staff to interact with the student and Enoch had just followed the dispute/complaints processes available to him , none of us would be here posting about him.
At every available opportunity Enoch has chosen the overtly confrontational option instead of following the process or policy.
That is why we're all here.
Brilliant 😂
It might be advantageous and make a less stressful thread for some if someone who actually knows what they are talking about posted a sticky on this. Explaining the basics, what the case is actually about, etc etc. Looking at you @Quin_Dub
While we're at it, can someone explain to me where the term transgenderism comes from originally? It screams tosser to me but maybe I have that all wrong.
Ammi for the High Court in May. This family needs to take at long hard look at where they stand.
Solicitor Ammi Burke’s challenge to WRC unfair dismissal rejection to be heard in May – The Irish Times
Please, No!
Exactly and wasn’t one of Simeon’s charges “threatening and abusive behaviour”? Known as the meeker of the Burke brothers so it’s not that far fetched that Enoch’s behaviour towards his boss would be seen any differently.
There are several inaccuracies in these earlier summary points. The staff were informed in May of the school's decision regarding the student's request. The school event (210th anniversary) was in June, before the Summer recess. The disciplinary process was initiated in August, just before the principal departed the school.
Just to add, it was already clear to all staff that Ms McShane was to leave the school to take up a post in Cork when the event took place. I am speculating that this may have been a factor in triggering Burke's outburst, believing that since she was "out the gaff" she was an easy target and that a disciplinary process was less likely.
that went well for him.
There's very few on the thread who share Enoch's views. I'm not one of them.
Oh there are some here alright.
I believe the email went to all staff on the 8th May 2022, followed by an email reply from Enoch on either 9th or 10th May 2022, challenging the request on various grounds.
IIRC there was also a meeting between he and the then Principal, sometime later in May, who informed him that the school had obligations to the student under the Equal Status Acts.
The anniversary mass and dinner was on 21st June.
It would be interesting to know what (if anything) was said or further meetings happened between the Principal and Enoch in those weeks between the first email, and the anniversary celebrations. I presume Enoch taught classes as normal.
It seems to me that he bided his time and waited until a public event, in front of staff, parents, pupils / past pupils, to kick off at for maximum impact.
He was suspended on 22nd August.
Strongly supporting the idea that the family knew their objection was a non-starter from a legal perspective, so they decided to go with the "scream and shout" show instead. We know they are capable of following the rules calmly when they want to.
As said "Very Few". Insignificant really. Of no great note.
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Mysterious and spooky
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They’re bat sh*t crazy is what they are! 😂
Ah here would you listen to yourself the fcuking clown he is decided to announce his objection during a school mass to the entire church causing people to walk out
he then confronted the principal personally at the post mass dinner which I would not be for a moment doubtful he did that loudly & aggressively. Have you been watching the news? His whole family is loud, aggressive & obnoxious.
Why anyone thinks burke behaved anything but like a lunatic given the behaviour we’ve seen in court rooms it’s no crazy notion to imagine he’d behave similarly during a school event. He’s an attention seeker. If he wasn’t he’d have met with the principal privately like a professional grown ass man would.
If I disagree with my boss or think a policy needs changing, I’d arrange a meeting with them or pull them aside if I felt it was urgent, I wouldn’t storm into the kitchen or follow them around the restaurant floor yelling and arguing.
I bet my last dollar if I was to make an alt account, post in work & jobs that I lost my job because I shouted at my boss over a disagreement we had there’d be not a soul offering the sympathy or devils advocacy I’ve seen in this thread.
You’re as bad as the little voice in Enoch’s tiny mind that tells him he’s the only one who’s right and everyone else is a heathen.
Agree and just remember the episode in the coroners court in Mayo over the poor girl who died during covid what that family had endure from them, the fan boys of Enochs here stirring the pot here are as big a joke as them.
That really was despicable, I can't even begin to comprehend their thought processes.
“think of all the attention we’ll get”
What was that?
Honestly like they have such a well documented history by now & not to even imagine what we don’t know about. It’s baffling how he has anyone to play devils advocate for him.
The family are nutters and frankly it doesn’t matter if he did speak calmly to her or not he was loud enough for others to hear & the fact remains it is not the place for a discussion like that with your boss.
Mind you of course it wasn’t in fact any kind of discussion it was enoch protesting that he did not wish to be “forced” to breach his religious morals or whatever.
Must be just trolling at this stage, I really hate to say that cos it’s such a cheap shot these days but you’re either wilfully ignorant or trolling fi you believe he handled the situation well at all even if you don’t believe he was aggressive it was still the most completely arseways form of objecting to workplace policies especially ones ingrained within the schools ethos, anti bullying policy, etc
That was just unforgivable! Those poor parents, I can’t even imagine. 😔
Should he have been suspended? Coming from an employment rights angle. Pretend he didn’t do everything he’s done since the moment he was suspended.
I don’t have an opinion on it because I don’t know anything about his contract or the schools rules, but it would have been interesting to see what would have happened had he followed the process as it was set out. It may have set somewhat of a precedent for schools and workplaces in general regarding the use of pronouns.
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He was suspended due to his behaviour so yes, he should have. Should he be fired for following the proper procedure if he had done so? Probably not and probably wouldn’t have. It doesn’t mean they wouldn’t wanted to have but they’re obliged to follow proper procedures also. Ultimately I don’t think he would have won his case if the school was willing to facilitate the child’s and parents wishes. The child in question also has rights. We’ll never know now how far he could have taken it? I’m sure there has already been this situation but it has never been an issue because the child was accommodated by the school and they didn’t have a teacher like Enoch on staff.
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