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You can stab someone in the face in Dublin now, and not go to prison.

Beta Ray Bill

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/teenager-avoids-jail-for-stabbing-incident-after-bus-altercation-1446912.html

This country.... 🙄

How is it that you can disfigure someone's face with a knife and get off scott free

This guy intervened in argument between the skanger and his skanger gf and the two of them (the girl too) turned on him, followed him off the bus and stabbed him in the face and leg.

People want change in Ireland, they want men to stand up to men who are a danger to women. This completely disincentives' that idea.

That poor man had to go around now for the rest of his life with a stab scar on his face. And considering your appearance is the first thing you're judged on in this world, it's a complete slap in the face.

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gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357858#Comment_120357858

Actually I'll pull you up on the term "white knighting".

This person gave a crap.

I disagree with getting involved and stay well out of it. Don't be derogatory.

Witcher

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120358502#Comment_120358502

The Gardai were called to the scene by the victim's girlfriend after they left the bus because of the altercation they had while on the bus, the stabbing then occurred and the lad was arrested down the road.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120358470#Comment_120358470

No it doesn’t? It shows that someone made a complaint, most likely the victim, after they had been assaulted. I got Deebles point - wasn’t an unreasonable one, that you really are lucky if the Gardaí show up in those circumstances. Incidents like that are usually all over by the time Gardaí arrive anyway, they don’t drive Batmobiles 😁

In this particular instance the victim appeared to be leaving the scene of the initial altercation when they were pursued by the attacker. There’s simply no way of telling what would or wouldn’t have happened had he not gotten involved and we could be reading about a different set of circumstances entirely.

tinsofpeas

There's something deeply, deeply wrong within this country.

Nothing seems to be working right.

Some violent knacker follows someone, stabs them and gets a suspended sentence. Ie nothing of consequence.

And if there were, the prisons are bursting anyway.

Lesson learned? No need to guess. Maybe some other lucky person will be murdered by them next year over something worthwhile, like a twix.

The amount of stories and events involving everything from murders to perverts seems to keep growing, while conversely the consequences of such seem to keep weakening. Media bias and all that taken into account.

It genuinely feels as though the collective hands of Ireland have all just clapped and given up. A laissez faire notional nation of demoralised eejits just taking a kicking while lying down.

It reminds me of a personal story, writ short, that if you are faced with any situation that has potential to escalate up to costing your life, as mild as it may seem at first, you have every sensible reason to treat the person with maximum prejudice. In other words be nice when you can be, and be lethal when you need to be. Apologise later.

There are very few people who give a damn if a knife is put in your neck, from guards and judges to politicians and strangers. Lovely place it's becoming.

Witcher

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120358458#Comment_120358458

A foolish post, the fact the matter is before the courts shows the Gardai responded to a call....

If he had called them instead of getting involved he wouldn't have been stabbed.

Deebles McBeebles

I have to laugh at the suggestions to call the Gardaí in this case. You're going to be lucky if they show up, never mind do anything about it. He's obviously a decent but naive sort of chap who tried to do the right thing. He's learned the hard way that certain people don't want or deserve your help.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356968#Comment_120356968

I started a thread here before to list his shocking judgements and sentences and a mod closed it down

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058288134/you-can-stab-someone-in-the-face-in-dublin-now-and-not-go-to-prison

How is it that you can disfigure someone's face with a knife and get off scott free

You can’t, and that’s still the case, no matter what details you choose to leave out of the narrative in order to make your claim seem any more plausible than it already isn’t. The scumbag in this case who was arguing with his girlfriend when the victim intervened, and then he proceeded to follow the victim off the bus, produced a knife and stabbed him in the leg and the cheek, didn’t get off scot-free. He received a two-year sentence, suspended on certain conditions. The Judge also took into consideration his age at the time of the offence.

It also isn’t clear in the article that he stabbed the victim in the face, rather it says he stabbed the victim in the leg and the cheek, which could refer to his arse cheek, given he had stabbed the victim in the leg. You basically appear to want to make a lot more out of this than it is in reality, going so far as to make out that anyone actually CAN stab someone in the face now in Dublin, and not go to prison, as if they are free to do so.

That’s just daft.

CPTM

I'm starting to become more understanding of some of these lenient sentences. More than I used to anyways. There was an explainer on The Irish Times website recently that went through why some sentences are very lenient. Sometimes the ar$$hole in question is the primary and sole carer of their mother. Sometimes they're the only breadwinner of a small family. There's a primal instinct in all of us, myself included, that wants a person to suffer if they've made other people suffer. But a judge has to rise above that a bit to see who will suffer most.

This scrote had no previous convictions, and has maybe built up a good reputation since the incident 2 years ago. Maybe he's on a good track at the moment, headed in a good direction. Maybe Martin N thinks that society would be worse off if he were sent into the prison system with the real worst of the worst for the next few years. The idea that people go through the prison system and come out a cleaner looking person is not really a winning idea anymore.

I'll be slated I'm sure. I used to be the same as those who just want to throw every scrote in prison - "Sure what if this was your son or daughter that was stabbed?".. I get all the emotion around it. I get the initial thing of hating that he got off scot free. But I also know that Martin N is well respected amongst his peers, and very few of his sentences are appealed by prosecuting parties. Most people don't realise that Martin N was a Garda himself for 10 years so he does have an idea of what the gardaí are going through. The fact we get emotional headlines and only 10% of the facts of the case via the media doesn't help at all either. But I do think, when you don't have all the information, a good accompanying approach when assessing someone's ability is to hear from their peers and people who go up against them on a day to day basis.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357833#Comment_120357833

Just another example of white knighting going way wrong. Not to sound like I’m having a go at you by the way it’s just perfectly illustrating the point that you should always no matter what mind your own business.

GHOST MGG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357102#Comment_120357102

Many moons ago this happened to me , Guy beating the living crap out of this woman on leeson street..i ran over across the road,this lunatic in a car was speeding and hit me..broke my leg..hobbled over to the scumbag and his girlfriend told me to **** off...last time i will ever get involved.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357742#Comment_120357742

Big grumpy head on me?

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357742#Comment_120357742

Don’t get involved in disputes that are none of your business is my go to trick to avoiding these sorts of problems!

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357725#Comment_120357725

What’s your secret?

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357662#Comment_120357662

Am I the only person in Ireland who has gotten little grief in the last 20 or so years?

[Deleted User]

Ah lads the country is destroyed.

people have no respect for each other or anything anymore.

Vigilante Justice can’t be far away because anybody I talk to is sick of the same people causing the same problems time & again.

Its far far to handy for criminals in this country.

Ham_Sandwich

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357266#Comment_120357266

exactly keep your head down and mind your own bisness if you go looking for trouble youll find it quick enough

Beta Ray Bill

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356700#Comment_120356700

They've not stopped but definitely slowed down, many of the big tech companies have stopped hiring here.

I think they're looking for somewhere to go, but that somewhere doesn't exist just yet.

Some of them have invested huge amounts of money in Ireland wont just up sticks. If they were to ever leave it would be very slow and gradual.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357072#Comment_120357072

I was always raised that you do not hit a woman. However, that’s in itself a very poor life lesson because sometimes, even women deserve a good slap.

No different to me if a man was being belligerent and warranted a kick in the bollox. If you behave like woman are tender creatures that would snap like a twig if you raised a hand to them you’re not a friend of any woman you’re a bit of a sexist tbh hate to break it to you.

The “nice guy” act won’t get you much further than a knife in the cheek as this gentleman has shown us. Why do you feel like you personally need to step in and defend a woman getting slapped around?

Do you intervene in every fight you see? If it’s two men or two women or is that okay for you? This attitude pisses me off, I’m sorry I don’t mean to have a go at you, but the idea that if a mans fighting with a women she is the victim and needs a man to come protect her and if you don’t you’re the problem.

No mate you’re the problem because you are so self involved and ignorant you think not only that women need your help but also that a fight that is no concern of yours is somehow your fight to be involved in because it happens to be a man v woman situation.

It’s not a good attitude to have. Walk away. You’re not going to fall in love with her and get married and take her away from the wicked man and her horrible life.

You’ll end up like this fella. or worse. But sure go ahead you do you.

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357062#Comment_120357062

Having more and more scumbags like this guy and his Mrs around is not a positive for the Gardai, Already swamped and drowning under the pressure of a horribly malfunctioning justice system. The majority of solicitors are heading the same way at this stage due to the circular nature of the system. The small number of élite senior barristers and judges above the district court level live in a totally different world than most people and have no understanding of the world around them.

Intervening in a couple having a domestic in public is a tricky move , Ive done it a few times in the past when I was sure I could handle the situation on my own but it is very dangerous. The vast majority of attacks on gardai and police world wide occur while dealing with domestic incidents. which is why at least two always attend domestics and often more. As regards to what some one else said here there is no training given to gardai dealing with domestics apart from recording and re recording the incidents on crappy admin systems.

Also as some one else said calling the gardai might be a good idea but given poor resources and very poor dispatch systems you would be waiting

As for solutions ? Bild a big f*%koff prison and fill it with people who have shown us via many multiple violent crimes that they can not live in a safe society with the rest of us. I would be a big fan of separation between judiciary and government but the state needs to insist that judges enforce laws properly which they are not doing.

85603

"the two of them (the girl too)turned on him "

This always happens.

corner of hells

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356965#Comment_120356965

If you read this snippet from a recent article, you’ll see where two busybodies got involved stopping a sexual assault.

“In court on Monday, the victim said she thought her daughter would end up having to identify her body in the park. She added she feared she would die in the course of the ordeal.

She said the assault had changed her life and she was forever grateful to the two men in the park who had come to her assistance.

Mr Justice Paul McDermott heard the woman had been out walking her dog at around 6.30pm on November 7th, 2021, when she was grabbed from behind by Veste.

The woman said she got a smell of sweat and cigarettes and then Veste put a hand over her mouth.

“I tried to fight. He made me get on to the ground and forced his body and knees on me in the pitch dark. I managed to kick him. He managed to put a weight over my mouth and something on to my nose.”

JayRoc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357052#Comment_120357052

This is not a personal attack but I cannot imagine being the kind of person who would walk past someone hitting a woman. Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree.

As far as calling the gardai, great in theory but too late for the person getting attacked.

I understand why people would want to not put themselves at risk I guess. It's just not how a lot of us were raised when it comes to violence against women.

ALB2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120355120#Comment_120355120

But is that not the point?

Keeping criminals on the street = more work = more money = more control.

We don't have enough of these criminals to keep it going so they have to be allowed free with 10, 20, 50, 80, 100, 150, or in 1 case recently 250+ convictions (convictions not charges).

Assuming they are caught 10% of the time, which is being generous...you do the maths, but I'm sure the answer is $$$.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357019#Comment_120357019

everyone else on the bus was doing what they should do in that situation. It’s never going to end well inserting yourself between two people involved in a fight.

So whether they like it or not it’s their own fault. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. I’m not condoning the attacker by any margin but you really should just mind your own business when it comes to stuff like this.

The Gardai are trained and equipped to deal with this sort of thing and it’s best that people leave it to the professionals. Condoning the stab victims behaviour is worse imo than pointing out how stupid, dangerous and unnecessary it was.

if someone’s boxing the head of their Mrs walk the other way and contact the garda. Stay out of it. You’re not going to be covered in glory and a parade thrown for you, no one’s gonna think you’re a hero.

You’ll end up on your arse or worse and everyone’s gonna point and laugh at what a dummy you were.

JayRoc

Fella sees an upset girl with an aggressive fella and tries to help. Maybe he'd already begun to get physical with her and everyone else on the bus is probably pretending not to see.

And people here blame him more than the prick who stabbed him. Congrats lads.

I sincerely hope I never become as cynical as some of yee.

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356896#Comment_120356896

Heightened emotions, leading to someone who routinely carries a knife, for no reason other than use as a weapon, chasing down a victim and stabbing them.

I really don't think courts should take that kind of thing as a mitigating factor.

SteM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356896#Comment_120356896

It's not 'the law' in this case, rather this specific judge.

https://gript.ie/petition-seeking-resignation-of-judge-martin-nolan-gains-over-36000-signatures/

Time after time, but I'm sure certain people will defend his sentencing with 'full prisions' and 'heightened emotions' type arguments until the cows come home rather than call it for what it is.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356861#Comment_120356861

I'm surprised he didn't go all Crocodile Dundee on him and hand him a real knife to cause some proper carnage with.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120355071#Comment_120355071

First thing that sprang to mind . Intervening in these disputes doesn't always end well

The sentencing for violent assaults is shocking in this country. See it all the time in the news.