Try to keep up
I'm pro Ukraine but we can do with less fanboism ... The source I posted is far from being pro-orc
Lol .....
Still complaining take off that skirt.
I think he's making a play for weapons as he's in a significantly weak position once bahkmut is taken. His remaining use to Putin is almost gone and he hasn't a substantial enough army to protect him should everything go south. By threatening a withdrawal I think he's hoping for a resupply in lieu of holding the town. Losing Bakhmut now could be disastrous for Putin but its Prizoghens last card.
Just like they were giving it up last week. And the week before that, and the week before that, etc.
There was a lot of disinfo from the pro-orc faction on here last weekend about Bakhmut falling.
A week later and we're still holding 😎
Looks like the Ukrainian reinforcements have strengthened the front lines and have driven back the orc advances.
Very telling that Prigozhin who was begging the Ukrainians to leave just two days ago is now completely dejected. Could be the realisation that his forces are spent and don't have the ability to go on any longer.
Scummy terrorist state committing yet more murderous war crimes.
"Has anyone stopped to considerrrr, to questionnnn, to ponderrrrr, to ask themselves in a humble and caring way that benefits not only themselves but maybe the entire human race and reinforces the deep, spiritual connection which bind us all together in the experience of being an animal with the self-reflect if, I dunno, MAYBE RUSSIA HAVE A BIT OF A POINT OR SUMINK!!!"
-- Russel 'Oh, matron' Brand (probably)
There are many. Just look at the posts saying that Ukraine should negotiate peace by handing over their land. That is blame on Ukrainians defending themselves.
Where Russia conquers its prepared to use its resources to further it conquests so Ukrainians have no choice kill orcs or face torture rape death.
Bakhmut or not, fighting for survival hope they succeed, slava Ukraine.
Lots of interesting stuff DNR etc not part of Russia (has he not read the script).
Internal fighting continues.
Are Wagner being asked to pull back and let regular troops be seen to take Bakhmut? But, the whole place is levelled, not much to parade around and look victorious. Or is he saying Russia are pulling back from Bakhmut?
It's the same situation as in Mariopol..... make sure Russia is committed to sacrifice men and equipment .... keep em busy long enough so you can strengthen your own troops
I place more value in the analysis below then the fanboy waffle you are spouting
I am not what you say.
Some time ago my elderly father was brutally murdered by a 27 year old eastern European migrant, but I don't want to see all of them dead, instead the experience instilled the value of life in me.
It's not that Bakhmut holds no strategic value, but every action has a cost/benefit ratio. Laying siege to the town for several months and using up god knows how much in overall military resources may make the eventual taking of Bakhmut the definition of a pyrrhic victory for the Russians and if that's how long it takes Russia to topple a not-particularly-large town of good fortification, then what are they going to do with the larger towns behind it which the Ukrainians have had a long time to build fortifications around? Can Russia maintain the level of casualties sustained in Bakhmut by running at the guns, Normandy style, hastily digging in positions, and leap frogging one another? We have heard that as word has reached Russian prisons of the death toll, volunteers are drying up. If true, that tactic is going to die as its practitioners have, and it leaves Russia needing some kind of major ordinance option a la last Summer. But if they have that option and it's still effective, it begs the question why they aren't still using it to grind out a slow, steady advance.
Some people just love to be contrarians. They take all the liberties and securities of living in the EU or US but complain bitterly about both and look for conspiracy at every turn.
They would however lose their shìt if they ever had to go live in Russia or one of the other despotic shìtholes they proport to support whilst sipping a latte on their couch before heading out to collect their dole money.
Bakhmut still holds .
Prigozhin is depressed
And to think it was panic stations over the last 48 hours
But not the the government of Ireland:
"I presume the Ceann Comhairle is not able to speak in support of the Government's motion. I will conclude by saying that this exercise today has been useful. As we approach the one-year anniversary of this war, it is important to stand with the people of Ukraine - those who are in this country and who must be missing their loved ones at home and those on the front line. We bear witness to all of the lives lost and all of the limbs torn apart on all sides in this war. Obviously, we mourn and grieve the loss of life and think of the distraught families on both sides. Those lives have been lost because of the completely unjustifiable decision to invade Ukraine. That decision deserves to be condemned."
I don't think I have read a single post on here that blames the Ukrainians for defending themselves, I certainly do not.
I agree with you when you see Russia soldier attacking they are all the same, the enemy.
But I do disagree with you that every single Russian is an evil murder, its the regime at fault.
You are a right s—t stirrer. I remember way back re some posters here referring Ukr living in Ukr trying to convince their Ru friends ,relatives that Ru have invaded , that people are being killed, raped, buildings being levelled, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, . The general reaction was ‘ it is the Ukr army that is doing all of this and anyway if all of this is happening it is your fault. Ru has to get of Neo -Nazis, etc, etc
so if the above is substantially true well then iD say that there is not much love lost between both sides
remember during the civil war in Ireland ‘ in a lot of cases ‘brother fought brother’. Members within families took different sides in the war knowing the outcome re people being killed on both sides
Still can’t understand how there is many out there including Ireland who blame Zelensky, NATO, US, Biden, my uncles budgie for the situation.
Anyone but Russia.
‘By providing all this aid , suffering is only prolonged’
are you talking in the context of the short term or the long term?
if in the short term- there will be a lot of suffering, numbers killed etc until the war ends
BUT if Ru win and we take a long term perspective I bet that the suffering - including killing, jailing , being beaten up, etc, etc ,etc- , of what will remain of the Ukr population would be greater for them in the long term than it would have been in the short term.
whereas if Ukr win the war there will be no continued suffering re the Ukr people.
so you’ take your pick’
It all depends on who wins the war.
Bakhmut, Strategic Or Not, Is Falling
'Western' media can not decide if Bakhmut is a strategic city or has little strategic value. They claim both is the case.
Bakhmut is of course of strategic value. It is covering the crossing of three major train lines and four major roads (M-03, M-32, T-13-02, T-05-13). As such it is the linchpin of the whole Donbas region. Besides that it also has some valuable mineral mines. more
Krasnopilske military cemetery
It’s a destroyed town, they have gained more than they have given up. Russia lost irreplaceable equipment, Ukraines losses will be replaced by better equipment. As long as the west keep supplying Ukraine, Russia cannot win.
So Ukraine is finally giving up Bakhmut ..... This will be seen as the battle that won the war
I so hope it is, what a machine in fairness.
Over the last couple of weeks theres been some footage of stand alone bravery that Hollywood couldnt make up.
The guy above being one of those examples and the other footage of the guy in a trench firing at a Russian fighting vehicle with RPGs whilst using various weapons against Russian infantry running up and down a trench whilst his buddy keeps loading the various weapons for him. - Unbelievable stuff - but as some of the lads on here have rightfully said, thats the difference between someone fighting for their countries and their families existence versus a shower of inbred mongrels handed a rifle and told to invade their neighbour.
Thanks for the update by the way - Apprecaited sir.
Silly question - If theyre a "Bad Guy" with a gun, and theyre either shooting at civilians or are a threat to others than yes, eliminate that threat before it becomes a reality.
What way would you handle it ? Talk them nicely over a hot chocolate and ask them about their deprived \ troubled childhood ?
Just imagine you're a citizen of Marinka - you have your little home full of your possessions acquired over the years, maybe a bit of garden that you grow a few veggies in and sit out in when the sun shines. You have a dog, cat, or other pets that are part of the family. You work locally, shop locally, your kids go to the local schools. You might have friends that you meet up with in town for a meal, or an evening out. You wish your neighbours 'Merry Christmas!' every year ... just a normal, simple little life.
Now imagine you see your town, your home, completely wiped off the face of the Earth as we're seeing in these pictures - could you stand to go back there? To start all over again surrounded by the ghosts of your former life? And that's without even considering that you might be the lone survivor of your family and friends group.
This has got to be part of the Russian SOP, an actual, genuine cleansing. The original inhabitants are either dead or don't want to return, your own people can come in to a fresh slate and loyally expand your empire.
The invasion of Ukraine is wrong, anyone participating in it by action or inaction is wrong, and the Ukrainians have the right to use deadly force to protect their internationally agreed borders and their citizens. It really is that simple.
It will be the beginning of solving the problem that is the authoritarian dictatorship in Russia for the foreseeable yes. Afterward then Ukraine joins both the EU and NATO.
IMHO the key solution after this is over is that Ukraine becomes part of both the EU and NATO and that puts an end to aggression from the Russian authoritarian dictatorship in for the foreseeable.
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