The DUP refusing to let Sinn Fein have First Minister means a December Assembly Election. Will the numbers change in a fresh Election?
What parties seats are vulnerable or who might make gains in any constituencies ??
Never! The DUP are boycotting due to politics nothing more, SF do not attend on a point of principle due to the requirement to pledge allegiance to the crown therefore its not a boycott, its actually called abstentionism and even if it was removed I doubt they would ever attend as it would mean accepting British rule. The DUP cannot say the same as they are trying to buy something with their boycott, if the NIP was scrapped tomorrow they would likely take their seats, see the difference? Also SF are elected by their voters to specifically not attend I don't believe the DUPs 2022 manifesto mentioned anything about refusing to take their seats?
The legislation is not just about Daithi, there are many awaiting this legislation.
And it is not just SF who are supporting the recall motion. Everyone puts health above a fracas about trading/customs rules bar the DUP and TUV
Francie step back, take a breath, and look at what you are saying.
sf collapsed stormont for 3 years, the dup only have it down a year yet it’s them that have it in a mess.
as for this pretence that it is about daithi, now changed to it’s not just about daithi. This change in sf pr message has came out today as it has been confirmed today that it will take over 3 months for stormont to enact the changes. Yesterday it was all about daithi, today it’s not. I actually regret I have lowered myself to engage in this. It will be interesting to see tomorrow which parties have realised the mask has slipped and decide to avoid the emotional blackmail
Thy is a remarkable answer. So when will the DUP have boycotted long enough for you to afford them the ‘normal’ tag for boycotting stormont
Yes its normal they have never taken their seats, the DUP can not say that. Also your galring refusal to acknowledge your own cognitive dissonance of the tories constantly screwing you over yet still relying on them to do the dirty work of the DUP and provide direct rule is just sad.
Because it isn't just about Daithi.
Stormont is a 'mess' because your new party alone have made it one. Stormont can fix this.
I didn’t blame anyone. It’s you that’s doing the blaming. I am simply calling out hypocrisy and shameful opportunism.
I note no one has responded to my question as to why sf are dragging this through the stormont mess when they know 100% that it will not help the young family one iota
The hypocrisy is very clear. If it became evident that they were 5 votes short in Westminster, would sf take their seats to get it through. We all know the answer to both that question and the other question as to whether sf are using this awful situation for political points scoring.
Nothing new here. This is their normal through the last 25 years. 1981 being one of the glaring examples
More of the same.
This legislation cannot be gotten through speedily because the DUP are trying to re-establish a Unionist veto but it is everyone else's fault but the DUP's.
Why would they need to attend if as you say its going to be sorted? Also there's no hypocrisy here as the problem is the DUP could fix this issue but are refusing too but SF attending westminster wont have any effect on fixing the issue so wheres the hypocrisy?
TBH i think its entirely more hypocritical of the DUP to be depending on the tories and wesminster to solve this issue since as again its solely due to themselves and westminster that the NIP which they apparently have such a problem with exists in the first place.
The family have stayed well clear of this stunt. The media are even being very careful with it. Everyone sees it for what it is.
everyone is 100% certain that stormont will not be reestablished this week - so you tell me why the shinners are dragging this terrible situation through the spotlight.
the hypocrisy is incredible, as they will be boycotting their seats in Westminster in a few weeks when this matter WILL be sorted.
It is disgusting, but not surprising.
do you think they should take their seats in Westminster to support this young boy? I actually would not use this as leverage on the shinners
Firstly 3 court rulings say your wrong. Secondly even if you were right that the constitutional position in the union has changed(it hasnt) its not the GFA that you were misled over, its Brexit and every promise thereafter from the tories. Yet as a solution to you being misled by the tories you now want direct rule from the tories....? Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
Also that last paragraph is just something else, I dont even have words to describe how bizarre it reads.
"It is hereby declared that Northern Ireland in its entirety remains part of the United Kingdom and shall not cease to be so without the consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland voting in a poll held for the purposes of this section in accordance with Schedule 1."
3 of your courts including the highest one have found that there is NO constitutional change and that that clause pertains to a Border Poll.
P.S. You are not the only community living in NI. A majority are happy with the Protocol and EU oversight of some trading laws.
We can get into simantics but the Belfast agreement stated "It is hereby declared that Northern Ireland in its entirety remains part of the United Kingdom and shall not cease to be so without the consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland voting in a poll held for the purposes of this section in accordance with Schedule 1."
Now you may well claim that isn’t broken but the court has now told us that nothing but the final act of partition of our nation is protected. As I read the court case, the Uk government could hand over complete authority for the day to day running of NI to France and it would not break the gfa. That is not what we were told when we voted for it.
it doesn’t concern me. It is a useful clarification. Our security lies in our community refusing to accept eg France running the place.
we are entering a dangerous phase in ni. Maybe it’s my turn to say stuff like Leo said ie if the Union is seriously undermined then there is a very real possibility of violence. In the scheme of things it will not be earth shattering - when you think that the entire 30 sectarian conflict here didn’t come close in lose of life to one night in Turkish earthquakes, but it will be very sad if peoples lives are seriously impacted by the intransigence of the eu. I am still optimistic that the penny will drop and the eu will realise it can’t rule a colony without representation - at least not in the democratic western world.
What were they? Can you quote them?
No, you still havent explained how the court result proves you were misled about the GFA.
Yeah, it's unionism looking for yet another reason to be angry.
I say this because I'm aware that the DUP made media profit out of Dáithí - so maybe you can tell us how are they being pressurised by anyone...
'I believe that is absolute nonsense. Everyone I have discussed this with believes SF have sunk to a new low by trying to use a serious I’ll young boy to put pressure on the DUP.'
Oh my.
the eu will back off their demand to rule us without representation
Erm, the NIP is 100% down to your government, not the EU or any other pretend bogeyman!
I’m not sure there will be elections to devolved government for another generation. I do though think it’s better than 50:50 that the eu will back off their demand to rule us without representation.
this article gets some of the issues https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nireland-unionists-face-historic-choice-eu-uk-near-protocol-deal-2023-02-10/
I voted for the gfa. A bitter pill to swallow in some ways but like many I decided the guarantees around protection of the union were a reasonable pay off.
I believe that is absolute nonsense. Everyone I have discussed this with believes SF have sunk to a new low by trying to use a serious I’ll young boy to put pressure on the DUP.
the DUP are tabling an amendment to a bill going through Westminster in the coming weeks that will allow the SoS to bring in the organ law. I wonder will sf turn up to support it or will they boycott it on a matter of principal. Kettle, pot and all that.
the only pressure coming from people who will be voting dup next time, is that they must on no circumstances renter stormont no matter what tricks are employed by others
I think performances like that (he was worse on the Daithi issue) and the closure of the 3rd and final Court case will see support leak away from the DUP if they continue to dig their heels in.
Amanda Ferguson reports that there is tremendous pressure being exerted on the DUP over the Stormont recall motion to pass the Daithi legislation.
They will vote it down at their peril.
For the sake clarity and those of us not close to the Protocol: what's this sidestep Given tried re. "concerns" over drugs moving between GB and NI; is it even relevant or a thing wot exists? I'm just going to presume it's waffle but just to know the ins and outs of it...
I like Carruthers' doggedness to call it bluntly. It's a calculated and political move by the DUP, but as we well know it'll be a cold day in hell if a politician ever held their hands up and said, "you got me. I'm bullshítting, I'll 'fess up".
BBC's Mark Carruthers pins down DUP's Paul Given on his bull about the DUP's priorities...
The DUP never supported the GFA and Downcow is a DUP supporter, so how was that poster misled?
How does the court case show your misled about the GFA?
The one big plus is that maybe now Westminster has realised it needs to get on with running this part of the Uk and they might take the uncomfortable decisions around health etc which our politicians have not had the courage or intellectual ability to take over decades
its a very real possibility that it will never be back. SoS has moved the need to call an election one year. He then has another six months. That sept 2024.
I don’t know a single unionist who wants it back. People like me voted for the gfa in good faith. The court case the other day demonstrates that I was misled.
I think we are entering difficult times
Sorry...the Assembly is down and it doesn't matter if SF compromise or not. SF compromising will not solve the DUP's intransigence. The DUP need to look to the British government to solve their issue not the political parties who make up the Assembly and Executive. The Alliance are blue in the face pointing this out as well as everyone else.
Compromise was required from the Executive parties the previous time the Assembly went down. Arlene did compromise a year in but that was withdrawn after consultation as we all know.
I.E. The current issue is outside the control of the Executive but yet it and the people are being held to ransom.
