Yes ,the latest involving the blonde was published yesterday ,it was Said serious leg injures, but one of the videos show torniquets being applied but no sign of any bleeding
No goalposts have moved.
You were asked how much of the promised aid has actually been delivered? You were unable to answer that question.
Of course they were happy to sacrifice Ukraine. Where was this support when the US and UK were helping Ukraine pre invasion to bolster their defences? You were unable to answer that question. To call it whataboutery, when it is directly related to the topic under discussion is really a desperate attempt at deflection.
Meanwhile they were bolstering Russia. The gas must flow.
Germany's government is happy to sacrifice Ukraine's interests to get the gas back flowing, as far they think they can get away with it in terms of German public opinion. There's no way they could spin not providing humanitarian \ financial aid and limited defensive weapons. They are desperately trying to find excuses not to send tanks - everything from the tanks not being ready, to BS about not receiving formal requests and now playing the WW2 victim card.
It's clear the German government would be perfectly happy with a peace deal right now leaving Russia in possession of annexed territory, and likely further, a neutered Ukraine. The gas must flow.
Let's not forget the discussion moved onto Germany's motives because your claims about the tanks being a risk of causing WW3 were thoroughly debunked. And not just by me.
So your little digs about "fruity personal theories" don't hold any water.
Fairly sure the bottom right was from an attempted Russian river crossing few months back. Not sure about the rest.
Well, they'd send a politely stern letter, not too stern though ... you'd never know they might write back.
Also if you could please avoid being invaded on weekends or public holidays, that would be appreciated.
To be frank, Ireland's not really in any position to criticise Germany. Our airforce is basically about as useful as a kite and we don't even have active radar to defend ourselves and depend entirely on the kindness of strangers.
We're not trying to ride both horses like the Swiss, but our position is basically: leave the house unlocked, don't lock the car, keep the money in a large pile on the kitchen table and sure who'd break in!?
They command the EU Battlegroup we recently commited to ,
I can imagine the Battlegroup being deployed to a conflict and the Germans pulling the oh we have an training exercise in Germany on those days we will follow on later
What's the point in being the largest if you can't be relied upon ? Much better to have lots of smaller countries rather than a big one with too much influence.
There was talk of an EU defense force. How much use would Germany be ?
Whenever Russian propagandists turn up at the front lines they end up providing us with real comedy moments.
I find the latest to be a little fake
But I'm talking about the HUGE amount of defensive weapons claimed they sent ,by no means have they sent a Huge amount of defensive weapons, someone is mixing pledged aid and defense systems in the same word ,
America has sent tens of billions in weapons and vehicles this is a fact ,
Germany spent 2 billon not in weapons but in other aid too ,but they have begrudgingly sent some weapons systems while making excuses and publicly blocking other systems such as Maraders ifv, patriot systems,and others now including MBTs .
They're only the largest financial contributor to the EU, sure they'll be no loss...
Yes of course there'll be a new EU alliance and everyone will agree Germany shouldn't be part of it.
What fantasy planet do you live on?
Are you infering I said such a thing?
Such an inference would be bollox.
Most of what Germany has sent Ukraine is defensive in nature. Scholz may think Leopards, in this context, are offensive weapons. I think he's worried Ukraine won't stop at the border and will try rolling on Moscow.
Ukraine want's done with this war ASAP, I don't think extending it for the sake of vengeance is remotely likely, they care about their fallen way to much.
I just debunked your conspiracy about Germany being "happy to sacrifice Ukraine" by pointing out that this theory simply cannot logically work in the context of Germanys vast aid of every variety to the very same country.
And now the goalposts have moved.
Lots of theories about the future, unsubstantiated claims of this and that. Pulled from your imagination.
No. Stop.
Billions in solid, real world aid. Thats the reality. I can point to that, its something tangiable. You can see it in action.
You on the other hand have some fruity personal theory. Just inference and whataboutery. Ooh theyre sending a message, and so forth. Your weird personal bias vs my established facts.
But they haven't sent every reasonable and available means of defense to Ukraine.
Not even remotely close
Three Baltic member states of the European Union: Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, appealed to Germany to provide Ukraine with Leopard 2 tanks
"We, the foreign ministers of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, call on Germany to provide Ukraine with Leopard tanks now. This is necessary for a quick end to Russian aggression, assistance to Ukraine and restoration of peace in Europe," said the statement of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Lithuania Gabrielus Landsbergis and his colleagues from Latvia and Estonia.
Feel the pressure.
I would actually prefer that Poland and others just hand over the tanks without German permission. The more dung thrown at Scholz, the better.
How much have they actually sent, as opposed to promised and then found reasons to delay?
None of that disproves that they were happy with the status quo, or a status quo that sees Russia dominant over Ukraine, or a Ukraine defeated in 3 days. It was the US and UK who were bolstering Ukraine before the invasion and without that help Kyiv may well have fallen in 3 days. Where was Germany? Germany was bolstering Russia.
The overwhelming German public wants to support Ukraine, so they have to pay heed to that.
The aid that they have sent is more to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe, which they would in part be culpable for because of how much Russian strength they have funded through their energy prices. It is to hold the line. They are holding back, to send a message to Ukraine their support is limited and qualified, in the hope that Ukraine will settle for some of the Russian demands - either territory or Ukraine out of NATO.
And they can go back to trading with Russia as if nothing happened.
And I treat your asides about tinfoil and conspiracies with the disdain and contempt they deserve.
Of course the will,they will be also offer to rebuild the Nordstream pipelines too at the first chance they get to give putin new birthday and Christmas present,
They have caused themselves some serious political harm in eu circles, when this is all said and done I think new alliances will be formed political and military Wise bypassing the Germans altogether
Conspiratorial nonsense.
If theyre so happy to sacrifice Ukraine, then why have they sent every reasonable and available means of defense to Ukraine. Huge quantities of military, humanitarian and financial aid. Along with diplomatic support at all levels. And self sacrificing economic sanctions.
Why didnt the shady political illuminati elite stop all of that? Tinfoil bollox.
'Happy to sacrifice' simply doesnt work in the context of 'multiple billions in aid'.
It called covering your arse. Germany are trying to keep all options on the table. They will likely be the first to re-establish relations with Russia.
He has the numpties fooled. But not so much the thinking population. Theyre the obstacle, optics is his (putins) tool.
Higher society doesnt buy his bullsht. Although optics can help change that.
Some people came here to tell us not to say the same thing about Russian soldiers in Ukraine....
Screwed up morals compasses or what
Sorry, wrong thread 🤭
It has nothing to do with a supposed WW3.
Germany's political class has been deeply compromised by Russian influence and dependence on Russian energy.
Having to change its energy policy dependence on Russian energy and the evidence failure of their supposed 'ostpolitik' strategy is a political humiliation for them.
Germany's political class seems happy to accept Russian domination of Ukraine as long the energy flowed, and wouldn't have shed any tears if Kyiv had fallen in 3 days.
They are happy to sacrifice Ukraine for peace but their policy is wrong and short sighted and the quickest way to end this war is to give Ukraine the weapons systems it needs now.
Russian propaganda is pretty much maxed out as it is. The Z fanatics and their narrative pretty much hold sway there and everyone else is too afraid to say anything. German tanks are not going to make an iota of difference to the levels of hatred and aggression within Russia. They are doing their worst as it is. They are not going to go nuclear over the deployment of German tanks. The only logic that will work with Russia now is battlefield defeats.
So you tell me then why Germany is being careful about sending its tanks in.
The idiocy of maligning a whole nation. From the safety of your basement and anonymity.
Does it even cross the line for site moderation? I dunno. Hopefully. It should.
Absolute nonsense.
Why would sending tanks spark off a continent wide massive war?
There are already German weapons systems in use by Ukraine against Russia. Yet somehow that doesn't trigger these old wounds!
Pull the other one.
You have entirely fallen hook line and sinker for Russian propaganda cues. We've heard this propaganda line since even before the war... do you remember when any NATO weapons at all was a cause for escalation?
All the evidence so far shows that Putin is deterred by such actions, rather than the scenario you present.
It was nonsense then and it is nonsense now.
120,000 dead Orcs, another milestone passed. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/01/21/7385892/
Those are Ukraine's figures. A US general concurs.
(Congrats to Ukraine on their S400 kill)
WTF do you mean "angle".
Germanys trying not to spark off a continent wide massive war. While at the same time help quench the ambitions of a madman. A delicate balancing act with potentially immense tragic consequences.
Putin is very possibly so mental that he wants a continent wide disaster as his legacy. And one very quick route there is to convince the Russian public that Germany is making a threatening move, open old wounds, rile them up in even greater quantities, get them deeper under his propaganda spell.
'Estonia is helping ukraine fight us on a very heavy per capita basis' isnt going to get the people out in the streets.
Equally 'Poland' doesnt have much historical impact or threat in the minds of the Russian public
Its Germany that is the boogieman of your tabloid reading counterparts in Russia. Putin can run his rhetoric with the word 'GERMANY' and point to history. But his bullsht only goes so far. He needs actual real facts to point to, his story needs those facts to help make his half truths. He needs a reality to twist into bullsht to sell, and images like German tanks advancing east, regardless of driver, have an undeniable weight to them. As a means to sow/sell panic and anger. Germany has to be careful about such optics, as the potential for a truly massive war, one not isolated to a corner of 1 country, but rather massive in the historically true sense/scale is there.
Ukraine trashed what they thought was an S-300 anti-air launcher; turned out to be an S-400 launcher. Turkey's complete S-400 system cost them $1.25 billion.
This apparently is a first confirmed kill for this system in this conflict.
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