Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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I think this attitude is not very constructive in this case.
In my gut feeling Bailey didn't do it either. Yes it's possible, but by my experience in life, it doesn't sound very plausible. A longer hike after a night out in the pub and then demanding sex from a women he barely knew? And killing her if she doesn't give in to his demands? It's not realistic at all, plus on top of all, there is no evidence to support this? Do we even know for sure, how much Bailey had to drink that night?
Only circumstantial evidence like his violence towards his partner he was living with? But still that doesn't prove murder in this case.
Does anyone know anything about the state of the gate the evening before? Was it open or closed when the postman came ? Did whoever was last in or out that night shut it behind them? Shirley Foster said she found it unusual that the gate was open that morning.
I don't know. As far as I know it was a bit of an argument between Alfie Shirley and Sophie on keeping the gates closed or open. However, I find it unlikely the murder was the result of a neighbor dispute about a gate.
The fact the Sophie put on her boots and walked down to the gate would not align with the idea that a drunk eejit that she had never met turned up at her door looking for a good time.
She went down the lane because she knew the killer somehow.
Sophie was most likely the last person through the gate Sun evening, and would have closed it. The postman didn't need to go through the gate as there was a letterbox outside the gate, if he did have to go through the gate to deliver a parcel, he would have closed it surely. That gate in the lane served all three properties there and while Sophie might have wished it kept closed she had no control over it.
Of more interest to me is the fact the other gate, the one by the pumphouse into Sophie's lawn from the lane was open in the morning. That was her own gate into her private property and anyone opening that gate would be much more suspicious.
Yea, she either went down to the gate to check something out or heard something at the pump house went out to investigate and ran down through the field from there.
Maybe she just told him how shite his poetry is and he lost it?
he was probably expecting to be getting in with the french cinematic crowd and saw himself as a creative equal, because he seems delusional like that.
I don’t really get the general consensus that he hiked up there on the freezing cold for sex either.
What I said is not all Gardai are corrupt and not would cover for their own.
Edit I meant not all would cover for their own
Ian drove. J said so in one documentary. He would not necessarily be asleep after whiskey. Unless he got up and wrote the article he says he wrote in his sleep and sleepwalked to the studio to type it.
I can't recall how many whiskeys he had. At least one went straight down the hatch according to barman
Good points. There were several suspects to start with. They were eliminated on investigation but the more Bailey was investigated the more red flags he threw up
In the annals of crime where would you find another Bailey?
Lots of miscarriages of justice in small towns have involved the local oddball, especially if a blow in. They are all odd in their own way.
The fit up jobs tend not to focus on the boring guy no one has a bad word to say about or 'one of the lads'.
I found the part about the drinks
The barman said he served Bailey four or five times. Last time Bailey bought a bottle of Guinness, a whiskey and small bottle of wine. IB drank the whiskey in one go.
The wine was probably for Jules so if he ordered the same each time -my speculation here -he had at least 4 Guinness and 4 whiskeys and he took a bottle of Guinness home.
Bailey is a big man and used to drinking but it's a good few drinks especially the whiskey in relation to his claim it makes him violent.
Expecting to be getting in with the French cinematic crowd and being rejected could have at least been a good motive for murder. He then gotten in a rage due to the Whisky drinking before and killed her when she rejected him.
It would look as if she walked with somebody she knew to his car, which was probably parked by the gates?
Strange if he gets so violent so easily why has he no record of a caution or charge other than the domestic abuse.
Doesnt sound like a man who gets into an uncontrollable rage after a few whiskies, given he was known to enjoy a few drinks in the pub.
Then came back to reclaim the bottle of wine and other items?
Yeah but this oddball
You ever had scratches only your household contacts would know the explanation for?
I take this one point to show how dangerous your whole line of thinking is here.
Not when I was prime suspect for a murder that I admitted to other people that I did, no.
So its not incriminating and a person may have such scratches for entirely mundane reasons.
Your circular reasoning contradicts itself and is a recipe for miscarriages of justice.
In the latest news on this the Gardai said they were interviewing people in the UK.
It would be great if these people were Jules Thomas's children and that now that their mother has left Bailey they may have information that previously they were not willing to talk about out of fear for themselves or their mother.
I expect he is too cowardly to fight in pub. He went crying to the Gardai when he was assaulted.
Woman is all he would hit. Then only when no man around
I take two points;
Arrived early to the scene.
Acted strangely at the scene.
He was actually late to the scene if you think about it, over 4 hours from the time the body was found and he living just a couple of miles away. Story of the murder was in Cork city before noon. Saffron Thomas heard about it in a cafe in Schull at 11 am and hungover Bailey arrived 2:20.
"Acted Strangely" was how one of the Garda lads called it because Bailey was in a suit, I mean really!!
So where is this long list of assaults on different woman?
Nowhere.
This is just scurrilous nonsense especially since in and of itself proves nothing.
It is neither necessary or sufficient evidence of murder.
Is it likely that Bailey knew she was alone? She didn’t always come to the house on her own and had tried to get relatives to go with her for this trip.
Could he have been sure that his hike across the fields in the middle of the night wouldn’t end up with someone else answering the door?
and I could only imagine she would have only gone out to confront someone she knew and was not surprised at their presence in the lane.
Sure if it was Bailey, who she may not even have known, she would be locking her doors and windows and ringing the guards.
Jules injuries not enough?
Yes, chances are whoever came by was in the habit of doing so. They knew the house and surrounds very well. Maybe they were surprised to find Sophie at the house as they went about their usual business.
Not if you are claiming this is a man who cant control his rage towards women in general after a few drinks.
He may have heard or deduced that. He was a journalist and it was a small town .He may have seen her in Schull. She would probably have told some people she was alone
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