I wonder how this will work out for him
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Don't think I'd want someone who does "incredibly stupid" things looking after my kids, thank you very much.
This is at the core of the issue as reported and my understanding too from last autumn. It doesn't concern the actual student or their parents. Burke is/ was objecting to new policy being handed down from the principal/ board of management. His objections were and are with the school authorities, not the student. The school then escalated the situation by suspending him from teaching and getting a court injunction etc and so on. So the principal and school management have responsibility as much as anybody for how they have handled the matter. And they can get out of the hole by apologising and coming to some equitable arrangement that will respect his views and allow him to teach whilst ensuring that the student can attend in comfort.
But it's also interesting to see how he is referred to as an "exceptional teacher" and "excellent".
I wonder how many BOM members would be willing to overlook his antics and the anniversary function for the sake of retaining a very good teacher.
And how many parents would be pissed off at losing a good teacher for their children because of all this.
How dare you attack me for comparing the issues!! I clearly said that you can't equate the two issues but that you can equate the link between heartfelt beliefs & actions in both cases. Several posters here have rubbished the idea that Burke's actions/ behaviour doesn't stem from his beliefs and my comparison is to show this up as false.
Any chance of a parent or BOM member being willing to retain them ended when he went to prison. Total inability to accept that they can be wrong is not a trait you want in a teacher.
Also, for every parent saying they're excellent is countered by another saying they aren't - there are student accounts of exceptionally dated teaching methods for instance.
The school didn’t escalate the situation. He did.
The school then escalated the situation by suspending him from teaching and getting a court injunction.
The school escalated the situation? That's just patently untrue now isn't it?
FFS do we have to go over and over this again and again? Other posters have explained this already. I did not say what you are saying above
The parents requested that the school refer to the child as "they" and a new name, going forward.
The school principal agreed, in accordance with the school's equality and dignity policies, and communicated this request to the school staff.
Burke publicly protested this in a very inappropriate way. Everyone involved with the school at the event knew what child he was referring to. Burke is a bully. He could and should have made his objections behind closed doors.
It's really not hard to understand but some people seem to be really struggling here for no apparent reason.
Burke escalated the situation by making an issue of it at the dinner. An appropriate, sensible response (suspension) followed.
Burke further escalated the situation after his suspension by refusing to accept it. An appropriate, sensible response (injunction) followed.
Burke even further escalated the situation after the court order by refusing to accept it
The school didn't escalate anything.
Who exactly took out the injunction to prevent Burke from attending the school?? https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/jailed-teacher-enoch-burke-lodges-appeal-against-injunction-preventing-him-from-attending-school-42040010.html
That's escalation and what ended him up in prison etc etc
Its reponding to Burkes escalation.
Hey, this is what YOU POSTED.
You stated that he singled out a vulnerable child for bullying, he did not, he objected to the school policy relating to calling someone “they”. That is a fact, stop making **** up.
The school he was suspended from for accosting the principal........ So who escalated it?
Well, did he go back to the school today?
Another dissembler.
What empathy has Mr Burke displayed towards the vulnerable student concerned?
Burke's beliefs are not the cause of his suspension and his legal troubles. His ACTIONS are the cause of his suspension and his legal troubles.
(never mind, already clarified up thread)
Whoop de doo, they let prods in now! 🙄
Is it actually an RCC patronage school, or a "catholic ethos" ETB school (which most ETB schools are) ?
Do they have any "out" atheist teachers...?
Interestingly the rights of gay teachers are now protected by law in our schools but the rights of non-christians are not.
Are pupils allowed opt out of that mass without punishment?
Objected. I think you'll find he did more than that. Hence, why he was imprisoned.
He was imprisoned for ignoring a court order, but that does not change the fact that what what HD posted is made up rubbish.
That depends on where you take the starting point I guess? Let's see.
Who escalated the situation? Who knew of his objections and yet escalated the situation by suspending him and then getting a court injunction. Answer: the school.
Burke escalated in every case
The school took the rational response to protect the school at its pupils; and yet Burke escalated again. Every. Single. Time.
You left a critical step out there, by the way. Burke making a scene at the anniversary dinner before being suspended. He was not suspended for a simple objection.
You left that out because it ruins your claim that the school is responsible. They aren't responsible - Burke is.
I hate the way Gardai deal with speeders on the road by escalating the situation and giving them tickets and penalty points.
Who attended the school while suspended from work??
Everyone knew of his objections…he made sure of that in a very public way.
Hold on. Burke objected and perhaps in ways that were quite strong & unreasonable but the situation was recoverable and could have easily blown over if cooler heads prevailed.
Once the school escalated by suspension and then injunction, the die was cast.
Guys, you’re both wrong.
the student escalated it by having the cheek to transition while in the school with Burke. If they had any decency they’d have waited til they finished school.
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Where on earth do you work that would not suspend you for accosting your boss at a work event?
That was an entirely normal thing to do, indeed its what would happen in basically every workplace going.
You left it out of your timeline, because it shows that Burke was the only one escalating the situation - which he did many, many times.
He was suspended for that, not for the simple act of objecting to something (that he was never going to have to do and doesn't affect him in the slightest)
Yes, in that made up scenario you made up, the school escalated it, now include the bits that actually happened.
Burke objects as to the policy to the school on grounds of his beliefs.
School in no way punishes him for having these beliefs.
Burke decides that actually nobody should have to do this
Burke shows up at prayer service
Burke interrupts prayer service to loudly express his opinion.
Burke follows principal expressing his opinion
Principal tells him it's not an appropriate time
Burke continues following principal, accosting them.
School suspends him.
Amazing how different it looks when you include facts.
Would you get a grip mate the mental gymnastics you are doing to make the school out to be at fault here.
Like every workplace the school was following the procedures. A senior member of staff (the principal) was confronted, loudly & publicly, at a school dinner & before that at a church service. In response to this Burke was suspended on full pay pending a dislplincary hearing. A perfectly normal and reasonable process one which is standard for many workplaces.
Burke however continued to turn up for work, duties which he was temporarily suspended from, occupying empty classrooms and corridors. Causing disruption.
The school then took the legal routes to make sure he stopped attending because his behaviour is abnormal and disruptive at least. The fact is if Burke got away with this what would that say about the school? What would students think? Mr. Burke can shout about transgenderism being wrong at public school events, aggressively confront the principal scot free?
Yeah I bet that’ll go well, I’m sure all the students, staff & parents would have great respect for school rules and policies. You need to log off and give your face a wash if you think for a second that Burke was wronged here. he’s not the victim he’s the instigator. Have a think for a second, what’s the common trend in all of the actions the school took?
When BURKE was suspended, after BURKE made a scene, then BURKE continued to show up to work, when the school then sought and injunction to stop BURKE defying the dislplincary process, then BURKE ignored it and ended up in prison.
The commend trend is Enoch Burke. He’s not only shown blatant disrespect towards students and the LGBT community, but to the school, his peers and seniors, our courts and prisons & Gardai. He’s wasted countless amounts of time, money & court time and resources to cry about trans people. That’s the bottom line.
He’s a sad little man clinging onto the desire to be the one who was wronged, seeking the attention he never got. He’s destroyed his career to be the victim. He’s a clown.
Like not interrupting the prayer service? Not following the principal around to the point people had to physically intervene?
I agree, Burke had several chances to de-escalate the situation, but he didn't
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