America has administered its first Lethal injection of 2023 to a transgender woman.
Why is a first world country still putting its citizens to death, particularly using a one drug method
It's informed by emotion. I don't agree with the death penalty, but those who agree in the case of people who tortured, raped and murdered kids are hardly just looking for the macabre death of a person for no reason.
Apologies if I misunderstood but I’d consider horrific sh1tholes for prisoners to be inhumane and at the very least torture. This is why at the very core of a civilised society we have things like the Geneva Convention that protect the very people who would be considered abhorrent such as Nazis or indeed ISIS even though they continuously breach it.
Fine. If it makes you happy, put people who use violence in the best prisons in the world for a minimum of twenty years.
I happened to have the opportunity to meet some current prisoners in Mountjoy last year and during covid lockdowns the conditions they had to endure were inhumane as I understand the meaning of the word. So we do tolerate it
Yes of course, that’s exactly what I said and the obvious alternative.
So emotion and retribution by family members is acceptable as the cornerstone of a civilised penal system?
Europe stopped selling it
That’s an unfair interpretation of the post you quoted. The suggestion that it’s driven by emotion, isn’t an argument in favour of it’s justification, let alone the idea that emotion and retribution are the cornerstone of a civilised penal system.
The argument in favour of its justification is that it is reserved for the most heinous criminal acts committed against society. The argument is mainly centred around the idea of whether or not it is an appropriate punishment for the crimes for which is it being used. Public opinion informs that decision, which means that the States where it is still used DO still consider it an appropriate punishment -
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/09/nebraska-and-california-voters-decide-to-keep-the-death-penalty/
Justice, is the cornerstone of a civilised penal system. Capital punishment is only one aspect of that system, and it is one which is still regarded as humane, and is not regarded as constituting torture, or cruel and unusual punishment.
I support the death penalty in certain circumstances - as an appropriate punishment for crimes committed. That doesn’t mean I have any wish to put anyone to death, nor does it mean that I support the idea of retribution. There’s enough evidence to suggest that retribution by means of the death penalty doesn’t bring the closure which victims or their families expect it should -
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0269758014537148
The conditions of their incarceration are an entirely separate issue from the idea of Capital punishment itself.
There are humane methods of execution if they must. For some reason they seem intent on being just as barbaric as their prisoners.
What utter rubbish, america Is a great country with a few flaws like everywhere else. here in our own country we think nothing of celebrating people who killed children with bombs, the state and its people turned a blind eye for years to a paedophile ring - the state actually funded it and gave it access to children
I love Ireland, it is the greatest country in the world by a long way, but the level of crime and drugs is unreal and we need the death penalty brought back
Whataboutery.
Yeah by you
I am sick of this anti American rubbish, america Is a huge country with many states that no longer use their death penalty and have very generous welfare states and are sanctuary states for illegal immigrants
How that fit your stupid and clichéd argument.
It doesn't. The thread is about the US. Your whataboutery is just irrelevant drivel.
Again you have not answered my point, the US Is a diverse country, new York and texas are like different planets
Your post was racist and you should refrain from that kind of talk , as a mod you would ban someone if they wrote that about Africa
The death penalty is a bit of a waste. Scum like those on death row could be made use of in medical tests/trials, make them be of some use.
Good enough for the vile scumbag.
We could learn a thing or two from them. The death penalty should be seen as a tool to remove a problem and nothing else.
Plenty of murderers walking our streets which is equally as deplorable as anything the American justice system offers.
You didn't make a point and are now openly lying and spewing insults. I won't respond to your drivel any more.
I know of 2 cases where a single punch ruined lives.
A guy I worked with was standing outside a club when someone clocked him in the face. He hit the ground and while he survived, he suffered permanent brain damage. He went from being a sharp guy to someone with slurred speeche and who repeats the same sentences several times during a chat.
My Brother was sucker punched when talking to a girl he was friends with. The scumbag had done the same thing to a policeman years previously and got off on the charge somehow on a technidality. Had he been convicted and executed, my Brother would be alive today. Jail time would not guarantee scum like that would be rehabilitated.
What did the person who was executed in this case actually do? What was their crime?
A quick injection seems a bit too humane given the crimes that have been perpetrated
What's the trans relevance?
And nothing of value was lost
What methods are you referring to?
That was tried before, didn't work out too well.
Are you saying the Jews Mengele experimented on were convicted criminals?
What a vile claim.
General anesthetic you can what you like to them painlessly.
I see vets on the TV administer lethal injections to animals every other evening painlessly,quickly and peacefully. Don't tell me the same can't be done to humans.
Interesting to see how you proposed doing medical experiments on non-consenting participants, but my historical reference is somehow 'vile'.
You might want to do some research on why this hasn't worked across the States for the last couple of decades.
Firing squad must be the quickest?
There are no trained medical professionals involved in any of those executions in the US. Be it doctor, nurse or vet.
You can't distinguish between innocent people experimented on and convicted criminals. Thats whats vile, maybe you think being a convicted Jew was valid and akin to a convicted murderer.
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