What shoite! "Russians siege mentality"....they are not under siege. "Slavic brothers..." ha ha except it's not funny.
So do you agree with "justify more drastic measures"?
Anyway "and people can become capable of almost anything."... given Russia has no moral sense, or even realisation it is the aggressor then it's shall have to be rendered incapable of offensive action outside its own borders. Eventually it will be given a big enough slap to fcuk off home and leave everybody else alone; and you can equally fcuk off and stop defending them, because its pointless and boring.
During the battle 73 Easting during the Gulf war ,a pretty significant tank battle 2 scout Bradleys took on 5 Iraqi main battle tanks and defeated them before a larger force of Abrams and other Bradleys arrived to support them during a broader battle, if I remember correctly one Bradley was damaged by enemy fire and another taken out by another Bradley(blue on blue),the Iraqis had lost a serious amount of vehicles and men by the time the battle had ended after 3 days.
Bradleys and Abrams can essentially fight day and night due to superior tech and optics and in bad weather unlike Soviet era vehicles
We've had nearly 12 months now of "Oh, we shouldn't offend the Russians! They'll get serious!". All while they attempt to decimate an innocent, sovereign nation with unrelenting war crimes. No one's swallowing it.
@Run Forest Run
Nice story,
All bs of course
Beyond the link I posted I don't know about all the details but most orthodox churches celebrate Christmas on 25th of December. The ones that celebrate it on 7th of January are the ones still aligned with Russian church, e.g. Serbia and until recently Ukraine. Other orthodox countries like Bulgaria, Romania and Greece celebrate Christmas on 25th.
It's something that should be expected really.
The more western or Ukrainian hatred that Russians see/hear/experience, the more it will engender the same feelings in them. It won't really matter to them what the objective truth is necessarily or whether this is a just war or not. Hatred begets hatred. Violence begets violence.
We experienced this ourselves, on this island, during the troubles. Both sides had equal hatred for each other, and felt completely justified in feeling that way. How many of those people were naturally hate filled people? The circumstances can turn many people into heartless monsters - plus it's much easier for a soldier to do their job effectively if they don't care about the people they're killing.
Many of my own friends in Russia now cannot stand Ukraine or the west - and most were never really like this before. I am starting to see a big shift in attitude, where people care much less about what happens to Ukraine or the level of brutality used by the military in this war. In the beginning, it felt like a civil war against Slavic brothers... but not anymore. We are entering a very worrying period imho, because Putin will have been waiting for enough collective anger to justify more drastic measures. And he is very slowly starting to get that now. It's feeling more and more like a siege mentality now, where Russia must do whatever it takes - no matter how barbaric or ugly it may be.
That's the danger of hatred on either side. The red mist descends and people can become capable of almost anything.
J—-s wept. I would not trust the Russians to push even an empty pram not to say a one with a child in it. It is very capable of coming up with any reason - including a false one- to break a ceasefire and catch out the Ukr when it’s ‘ defences are on standby’
Just help out when I can, most people are just volunteers some are members of organisations.
The Ukr could also postpone the celebration of Christmas on Jan 7 because of the very dangerous life threatening situation that is ongoing and get back to celebrating it when the EMMERGENCY has passed. We , IN ireland, did something similar recently ie because of the very dangerous life threatening Corona virus we postponed a lot of activities - including going to religious services.
Where do all the areas of worship levelled by Russia eg churches, and all the Ukr civilians who were killed - being directly targeted/killed by Russia and who worshiped there fit in to a plea by Russia for a ceasefire ? It does not add up.
This coming from an previously claimed unbiased source of news in Ukraine.....
I suppose then it's just back to the way it was but I suppose its all mute point now anyhow as the ceasefire didn't happen.
Don't kid yourself, the orcs don't keep agreements.
There's also the question whether Russia will actually honour their own ceasefire. Most likely they'll just claim Ukraine attacked them during it, and "forced" them to retaliate.
I know Ukraine did not want to take the cease fire and I can understand why but I think those 36 hrs they would of been put to great use for Ukraine probably would of gotten twice the value out of it compared to Russia in what they could of set up in those hrs. I suppose they looked at it and said feck it no quarter given and no weakness shown when we have the upper hand against Russia. I just think the 36 hrs would of been like in reality 72 hrs what Ukraine really would of gotten done in that time compared to the Russians.
The US and Greece, it seems.
Quick tank question, may have already been answered by you elsewhere,
But is there anyone producing brand new tank Hulls or clean sheet tank design's in Europe or stateside,
No, grabbed it off Twitter.
Report of another base of the russian invaders after being hit with casualty numbers not established yet. Maybe this is another reason putin has decided to get religious and ask for a break.
Yes, the Lights in the Darkness!! Are ye working independently or with an organization? Which ever it is, keep safe.... heads down, and if possible asse's even lower, and don't go poking around in the bushes.
Happy page 2500 to the regular posters on the thread!
I'm hoping for a victorious Ukraine and a sombre funeral in the Kremlin before we reach page 3000 . . .
I can't imagine the horrors they have been through or seen.
I hope I never have too.
I use to be the only Irish man in the village, but now there is two of us .
A young Irish man who came to volunteer at the border is now in a relationship with a Ukrainian girl,they spend half there time in Poland and the rest transporting aid in the Ukraine.
Even good things happen in the worst of events.
Two orc aircraft shot down over ukraine one helicopter and su30/Su35 jet pilot has also been captured alive,
Western armor coming, patriots coming,and tanks are a possibility.
Its not been a great week for the orc's at all and it's not even the weekend yet
In connection with Mr. Podolyak's statement that the AFU does not intend to meet the Kremlin's demands for a "unilateral ceasefire", I have a few remarks to make:
- I withdraw from yesterday's review-forecast the unfoundedly bold assumption about the possibility of our troops completing an assault on Marinka in a week or a week and a half. If Marinka will ever be taken, it will be much later, as during the 36 hours of our "abstention" the AFU will seriously fortify its positions and reinforce the garrison;
- Vladimir Vladimirovich has taken such a bold and decisive step towards defeat and capitulation in the current war as has never been seen in the past 10.5 months of the so-called "SWO". The Hague applauds and begins to prepare the chamber. (Unless, of course, the issue is preemptively resolved by the unauthorised insertion of a shovel cutter into the back door, as was the case with Gaddafi);
- The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - just delighted: they will be able to experience all "charms" of unilateral ceasefires, which the LDPR corps had experienced for the previous 8 years. I think our military will like it. "De-escalation" and "Regrouping", as well as the "Uncomplicated Solution" - the RF Armed Forces have already appreciated it. Now - a new stage...
Just in, the latest misery-fest from Igor Girkin.
Criticism of the Russian military and Putin. I am amazed he can get away with it.
I've often wondered about the authenticity of the intercepted phone calls,but if genuine this one is chilling.
Communication problems in the russian ranks.
Gotta love the memes
Putin can fcuk off with his ceasefire.
This is a private Russian Z group so the link won't work unless you're a member.
Putin has instructed Shoygu to impose a ceasefire from 12 noon on 6 January to 24 noon on 7 January along the entire line of contact between the sides in Ukraine.
Patriarch Kyrill requested this today.
The Kremlin also called on the Ukrainian side to declare a cease-fire and allow citizens to attend Christmas services.
This was posted today, nothing new, but the comments are interesting.
Позор ебаный
This was the most liked comment in response to this thread.
Translation - It's a **** disgrace.
They are not happy at all with this ceasefire proposal. They are not happy with the progress of the war. The generals get most of the blame, Putin gets almost no blame. Amazing how brainwashed these people are.
Christmas wasn't celebrated at all in Russia or the Soviet Union for many decades, as the Soviets effectively banned the practise and replaced it with a 'New Year celebration', so one imagines the Ukrainian church will be free to hold their own Christmas whenever they like in future (if they so desire).
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