Anybody know if this will affect someone who is renting out a bedroom or 2 within their family home and is not in a rent pressure zone?
From what I have heard, no. This is targeting people renting out short term rentals. The idea is to convert short term rentals for tourists, to long term rentals for homeless people. It wont work of course, but in any event it wont go near rent-a-room.
I currently rent out my apartment on air B&B when I'm away on business or holidays (up to the 90 days allowed per Year).
So now I will need planning permission for change of use for my own principal residence to go on a register? i.e. Airbnb is effectively over as an option for me now?
If you can provide proof to the local planning authority and to Bord Failte, you shouls have no problem, you only need to do it once and then its ok, from what I understand.
I do Airbnb from my home and I rent it out as a whole unit when I go away, I will have no problem following their rules, I think it's needed, especially in places like Kenmare, Dingle etc, where there are no places for staff to say that provide services for tourists, so people have been cutting off their own supply and businesses were then closing during the winter as there was no one staying in the property that would be used by airbnb guests in the peak season.
Just my 2 cents.
We do short term let's to an annex on our family home which was a granny flat ( 2 bedrooms ensure and kitchen only) its not suitable for long term let's as in very rural location. I suppose I will now have to pay bord failte to register for this quango... bet they will charge full wack regardless on how much business we do which is only usually the late spring and summer months
Do you have to pay to go on the register? I didn’t see any mention of that.
Dont think that has been mentioned, but using the "Property Owner Pays" principle I would expect there will be some kind of charge.
If the government think that this will bring landlords back to the market in droves then they are even more stupid than I originally thought!
I think it will bring more houses to the market though-airbnb has been a very easy way to make a lot of money. Especially people that are retired. I've met a lot in the remote tourist regions that do airbnb, they pay very little tax and they hire a person 8 hours a week and get 12-1800 per week for 9-10 months of the year. It's a no brainer.
Will it fix the problem? no
Will they rent long term? no, not in the state the rental market is in at the moment, everyone blaming landlords for the problems, and the paperwork and legislation involved is way too much , and that's only about the good tenants, throw a bad tenant into the mix and it's a full time job to be a landlord and/or try to get them out.
thanks for the comments thus far - so can anyone confirm that renting a few rooms out within the family home on airbnb type thing is exempt from this new law? it is outside the rent pressure zones.
Just read citizens information site.
You do not have to apply for planning permission if:
The citizens infomation site has not been updated to show the new regulations, from what I gather - if you are renting out anything, even 1 bedroom in your family home then you would need to register - which will be pretty difficult as you would need to apply for change of use etc.
Of course, they in the business of extracting money out of you, another big quango https://www.failteireland.ie/Supports/Get-quality-assured/Welcome-standard/Welcome-Standard-FAQs/Q-What-is-the-cost.aspx
They make property inspections and also have rules around service provision and also you will need a fire cert.
If you letting out a room or 2 in your own home, you need to contact the Council planning dept to register, they will send you out a form I think it's called a form 15 to fill up to say you are home sharing along with proof of your ownership, bank statement etc and then that's the end of it......for now anyway
Looks like this will kill casual short term lets stone dead. A typical earner will need over €500 in bookings to break even on the likely registration charge alone, on top of the hassle of it. If you are into Airbnb in a big way, it won't change the calculus much
One off rooms however will not go into long term rental, they will just be unavailable. The measure itself won't have a real impact on rental availability and will just increase pressure in the tourist accommodation market.
Everyone loses.
The letting of a room in your own residence will continue, there is no problem there as I said above you just need to register with the council. Airbnb was set up on the principal of letting a room or a sofa in ones home but it blew up into a monstrous organisation where whole blocks apartments and houses were purchased specifically to rent on Airbnb, that has to stop.
Bord Failte have indicated that you will also need to register with them if you are short term letting rooms in your home - the link is in the post above. There will be a fee, recurring annually for this. The level of this fee has not been set, but if it's like BF's other fees it will be about €250 in year 1 and €150 every year to renew.
As I said, it will kill off casual short term lets for no tangible benefit. Rooms will lie empty, instead of bringing in visitors.
From BF website, information advance of the new regime:
What is Short Term Tourist Letting Accommodation?
Anyone offering paid accommodation for periods of up to and including 21 nights will be required to register on the Short Term Tourist Letting Register.
Short Term Tourist Letting properties include the following:
• Room(s) in a primary residence
• Entire property (includes but not limited to; a house, an apartment, cabin, boat, yurt, treehouse, etc)
• Multiple units at a site / Complex (eg. adventure centre with accommodation, glamping site, multiple ‘own door’ units in the one building)
Rooms will lie empty
Why do you think that? I see people saying that but there is no logical justification behind it that I can see so I'm honestly asking for an explanation. What am I missing here?
Like if I have a 3 bed house, I'm using one and have 2 bedrooms on airbnb and I pull out of short term lets, why would I not put those up for long-term let? I can make 14k tax free a year off those rooms.
Why? Because having a full time lodger is a much greater imposition than having someone stay for a holiday.
A casual Airbnb user, say one that does three weeks of short lets a year likely doesn't want a full time lodger (otherwise they would have one in already). They will just forgo getting involved at all now since the taxes and charges make it not worthwhile.
Ah ok, see I disagree. I think this will push more to do rent-a-room as its a nice little earner as an alternative to short-term let.
Sure some won't but I'd wager a fair number will.
I guess we'll have to wait and see how it plays out
Prove what though?
I live between two places, when I'm working in Dublin I use my apartment there for that.
I'm still none the wiser with this announcement from the Government - is the 90 days allowance now being done away with?
Honesty this country is getting more and more unlivable every day.
rent a room has always been a nice little earner as an alternative to short-term let.
Short term let is far more hassle - but the benefit is you do not have a permanent resident in your other room. People who didnt rent a room long term before, are not going to do it now. More likely that the room remains empty.
From what I understand - everyone will need to register if renting out a room for short term - the issue is whether you will need planning permission, the below image how it is a moment - I dont think this will change..
Again, I disagree.
If you are a home owner who has had a nice little earner and that goes away but you have an opportunity to earn 14,000 eur tax free, you'd be an idiot to turn your nose up at it.
However, as neither of us can offer any evidence for our respective guesses we'll have to wait and see how it all plays out
In a practical sense that won't work for many people. You might be able to tolerate having a short term let in your house while you yourself are away. You may not even have the space for a lodger, if the short term let bed is also your space when you are there.
Many of the casually interested in Airbnb are just not going to bother anymore imo.
I can guarantee that it will have unintended consequences - the same as all ill thought out populist policies.
We'll see. One thing is for sure, its a popular policy with those without homes at present. The only ones calling it populist are the ones looking to make a quick buck
So letting your house for days per year will require planning permission? Local planning offices are already stretched and as far as I can see fail to enforce existing regulations properly. Given the absymal performance of the PRTB in registration of properties (as per recent letters in the Irish Times) the last thing we need is more work for already overloaded and at times dysfunctional planning departments.
It’s allowed. They are licencees not Tenants
Letting a room in your home under the rent a room sheme is great for first time buyers needing a bit help with the mortgage but forget about it for older settled people who have their mortgages etc paid off. And the rest majority of Airbnb places particularly in rural areas are run by older people as far as I'm aware. Older people like their privacy and do Airbnb for a night or two here and there. Who wants a long term tennent in their home, using their kitchen, fridge, living room etc, not a hope would many do it, same as so many pulled out of hosting ukariane refugees when they realised what was involved. . Besides what tennent will be willing to pay €14000 a year to rent a room. It's all a big shambles.
You are mixing this up with the rent a room scheme which is totally different than letting a room out in Airbnb.
And the rest majority of Airbnb places particularly in rural areas are run by older people as far as I'm aware.
I'd love to see the data on that, have you a source as airbnb don't publish that sort of information afaik
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