Anyone watch this new documentary yet it's about the vaccines I presume. Hopefully I get to watch it the weekend if it's worth it
Good explainer below.
Answer: a culmination of things.
For Europe, the aggregate rise in deaths in e.g. July seem mainly due to the heatwaves
The baseline for excess deaths was established based on figures over the last 7 years, skipping 2020 because of covid. So 2015-2019 plus 2021.
I don't think the number of excess deaths in real terms is as large as the figures suggest, because the 'expectations' have been totally messed up by covid. People died who should be alive, and people lived who probably otherwise wouldn't because they put themselves in a bubble for 2 years and now there is a delayed 'harvesting' (actuarial term) effect going on.
There are more people alive versus the baseline and more older people.
So first we need a proper understanding of how many excess deaths are actually excess, before we look for other explanations.
There is covid still around. Long covid. Infectious diseases suppressed during covid coming back.
The impact both of cancelled medical screenings, and people not presenting themselves. Backlogs \ waiting lists have built up.
I think as well, where one partner died from covid, this may have an impact on how well the survivor fares from a life expectancy perspective.
The pandemic was a stressor event. Some people lost businesses. Some people developed new hobbies. Some people developed unhealthy habits. That could be rippling through to some health conditions and deaths.
Then this year there were heatwaves in Europe.
There are still a large number of excess deaths occuring and there doesn't seem to be an investigation into it other then pieces debunking that the cause is from vaccines.
What is killing so many people?
You can see why embalmers and morticians are latched on to. They don't have any medical training themselves thus can't be questioned scientifically, yet can make lots of anecdotal comments that the loons can perpetuate as pseudo fact.
"sewerage worker can't believe what they find under hospital treating COVID"
"binman finds trump ballots tossed into dumpster"
The always reliable Science Based Medicine has two articles on this work of fiction.
The anti vaxx loons still at this craic at the end of 2022, 14 billion jabs later.
Where does the paper state that was clearly the chief cause for the 25 cases?
25 cases were studied.
Some important points from the paper:
"Standardized autopsies were performed on 25 persons who had died unexpectedly and within 20 days after anti-SARS-CoV-2 vaccination. In four patients who received a mRNA vaccination, we identified acute (epi-)myocarditis without detection of another significant disease or health constellation that may have caused an unexpected death."
Further it notes that the injection itself can have side effects:
"it is at least tempting to speculate that inadvertent intravascular vaccine injection may be contributive."
I don't see some "anti" vs "pro" divide in the news media. Are you sure you aren't referring to social media?
VAERS is a passive reporting system. Anyone who gets adverse effects within a few weeks of a vaccine can file a report. As such, it's more for the experts to disseminate.
It's the equivalent of having a public reporting system of anyone who experiences any adverse effects within 30 days of eating e.g. mackerel. You are going to get a very large number of false positives. The anti-mackerel crowd will point to it and exclaim "look how dangerous mackerel are!". All the while the real experts are the only ones who can interpret the data.
For the report you linked, note the following line: "The reported incidence of (epi-)myocarditis after vaccination is low and the risks of hospitalization and death associated with COVID-19 are stated to be greater than the recorded risk associated with COVID-19 vaccination [29]."
There's a significantly higher risk for myocarditis from Covid than from the vaccine
In my experience, "keeping an open mind" is a phrase often used by those who want to get others to believe questionable stuff.
I have an open mind with regard to new information coming to light, as such I had both jabs, But in todays hyperpolarised media any discussion falls into one of two camps either Anti or Pro. Pretty much like many topics health related.
I have seen a recent paper that has studied VAERS effects on 25 people that did indeed die quite soon <20 days after getting the MRNA vaccine and the cause is quite clear chiefly Myocarditis.
The paper is pretty technical as is only fitting with regard to this kind of information but feel free to have a look yourself and most importantly keep an open mind.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00392-022-02129-5#Sec3
Pathetic yet unsurprising.
My uncle died aged 47.
Health freak - ran marathons - looked after himself - did annual checkups.
One day he never woke up.
This was mid 80's.
They reckon he had a stroke in his sleep. No underlying health issues or even a history of issues in his family.
A friend of mine died in 2020. Mid 40's. Was on a zoom call with work. 2 hours after his wife rang saying he died. He had a brain hemorrhage.
It happens quite a lot. Its why that as you get older your life expectancy increases as your 40's is quite a stressful time and has risks that you don't have as you move to 50's.
Pathetic stuff really
This trawling through RIP.ie is a big thing now amongst "researchers".
What sad losers.
One of the young men whose image is used died in a drowning accident. Another is of a young woman who died from head injuries during a camogie game in a freak accident. Others whose photos are used died from a range of medical conditions, such as Sudden Adult Death Syndrome (SADS) as well as meningitis. Others, including Diego, tragically took their own lives.
Unexplained deaths in Ireland are subject to autopsy. Same in UK and very many other places. A cause is nearly always determined. One scenario where cause is not always evident is when certain cardiac arrhythmias occur, as in Takotsubo Cardiomyopathy, but even now autopsy techniques are being developed to detect this.
How effective were vaccines in fighting disease or did your own body do most of the work?
humm... someone doesnt understand how pandemics are caused or how vaccines work
Nope. Vaccine effectiveness is well studied and quantified.
Your statement makes it seem like you don't actually understand how vaccines work.
The fact that so many people took the vaccines and are still alive implies this is nonsense. Of course there will be some people who will have adverse reactions to anything new put into their bodies, but there is no evidence that Covid vaccines are killing large amounts of people.
The claim should be that some people had adverse reactions to covid vaccines ( thats it) Conspiracy does not make any sense in this context.
How effective were vaccines in fighting disease or did your own body do most of the work? Vaccine effectiveness remains an open question.
"There is no evidence that Covid-19 vaccines are responsible for a rise in “unexplained” or “sudden” deaths. SADS deaths did not increase in England and Wales in 2021."
"Kyle Sheldrick, a medical doctor and researcher, also debunked the video in a Twitter thread (here). Sheldrick explains how Dowd and the unidentified man who examined the data created their graph using CDC data (here), and points to the spread of the dangerous Delta variant as the more likely reason for spikes in deaths in the second half of 2021."
As for the "documentary" in question, it's a propaganda video
Wait until you realise that not all deaths are on RIP.ie. Your mind will be blown. However, whatever it says on RIP.ie doesn’t take away from the fact that Died Suddenly is bullshit.
Came across this. Apparently the sudden deaths of formerly healthy adults is down to emotional distress and placebo effects of people claiming it was dangerous. Laughable.
all you need to do is go to rip.ie and do a general search for the whole country....it won't be long before you start seeing the "sudden" and "unexpected" deaths each day...it's all there in plain sight....you can even do a comparison search for older years and see the massive increase from 2021 onwards.
It's the usual
And what evidence do they provide that any of that is actually true?
We've already seen that they lie about several cases of sudden death, so it's likely they are similarly lying here also.
Also, "pureblood" is a very strange term to use.
The documentary featured a lot of embalmers who said they encountered things they had never seen pre-2021.
Lots of the dead had long, white fibrous matter which caused blockages in arteries and veins. We see them in vials and see them being extracted from a dead body. If you're not a pureblood it would be a hard thing to watch.
There was an embalmers' convention and one of the speakers showed photographs of the fibrous material and asked how many others has taken these from cadavers and of the 100 embalmers present almost all raised their hands.
In most cases no autopsies were carried out, so it was the embalmers who saw what was actually happening inside bodies and put two and two together—the safe and effective vaxx had caused the material that causes blockages.
all you need to know about it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/thereal_truther/status/1586431003312107522
Is the film's title in all Caps or are you just screaming for attention?
There isn't any evidence that links vaccines to a large amounts of deaths. Otherwise, conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers wouldn't be relying on anecdotal hearsay about handfuls of unverifiable cases.
Everyone I know has had the vaccines and I don't know anyone who has dropped death from the vaccine or otherwise.
the excess deaths in europe aren't being explained by the media/authorities , they'll get around to it in 5-10 years .
so in the meantime people will fill the void with what they know. something caused this ....post covid - the vaxx is the mostly likely option.
2 years of bad living with lockdown probably didnt , maybe for kids cos they didn't build an immune system but not adults.
So it is most likely the vaxx - young people dying cos of a jab to protect the over 80s.
the youth shafted again
Worth a read about how despicable conspiracy theorists are on the topic, and it does go into the bullshit in the mocumentary
Is there any Stats in this country for sudden death heart attack ect.
If we could get a clearer picture with real numbers,maybe than we might have some evidence.
I myself have heard about an increasing number of sudden deaths in the under 50s.
No sure if it's just people talking more about others death or what.
Ive heard that about Twitter so many times from conspiracy theorists here. Strange coincidence.
As for the mocumentary, it’ll be just like all the other ones by conspiracy theorists. Made up and actually mocking their beliefs.
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