Christ almighty! Can you please shut up about Dukes or at least start a new thread on it? You constant referencing Dukes appears to seem intentful on diverting the discussion away from Quinn and solely on Dukes and his stupid comments.
Personally I couldn't give a sh1te at what Dukes said because I want to look at the bigger picture. If you took offence at it and refuse to acknowledge his public apology then please take it elsewhere. If you as (I suspect) as a SF supporter want to pin it on FG and gain political capital, then please take it elsewhere. I'm not a FG supporter (I do not support any party). Aside from meeting him in Mondello when he raced (I marshalled), I had no interactions with Dukes in the past. I just would rather discuss Quinn and his gambling on Anglo shares and how it affected the economy, the border area (where I spent much of my life), the dispicable campaign of intimidation and subsequent kidnapping and torture of his former star employee. I'm just tired of this thread being derailed over a side-matter.
Phew!!!
Oh yeah, you'd never get away with calling a former Fine Gael leader and cabinet minister a politician.
And for what it's worth I didn't infer Dukes was a presently serving politician in the post you quoted, so I don't know who you're directing that to.
Newsflash - Dukes is not a politician. 🙄
Nowhere near it
At the end of the day Seanies legacy will be of only horrific and underhanded acts. He has ensured that he will be remembered as a bitter man with a dangerous streak. All of the good he done and the successes will be forgotten. That's really sad actually.
He had a chance himself to really stop the carry on of the thuggery that happened prior to the Lunney kidnapping which might have prevented that from happening. He could have really condemned the vandalism and threats which almost cost so many their livelihoods in that area but he didn't.
What Seanie and the Quinn's don't seem to grasp is the local community and the wider community owe him nothing. He needed a workforce and he paid them. It's a transactional type of thing.
He was indeed a shrewd and successful person. Of that there can be no doubt. But he was also very unsuccessful. That can happen to anyone but it's his actions and what he has inflicted on individuals and the country as a whole since then that will be etched into peoples minds.
Cavan area?
I get this, but the man also did a lot a lot of good for people. Huge drive and ambition and energy required. He did it. And many people’s lives bettered by him
Yes, I am fully aware his failings and wrongdoings. He’s human.
Regarding Lunney: one the most sickening acts of recent years.
Watching the doc, you’d have to wonder wtf our gardai and judicial system were doing that these scum were doing this for several years, and it took this horrific abduction for it to end..
These scum had support and deafness and indifference to it. Lunney was greatly let down by many.
TBH I have to say I think calling what was done to Kevin Lunney a "beating" downplays it. He was tortured with a stanley blade with the stated intention of leaving him scarred with the initials QIH, doused in bleach and had bones broken.
A "beating" conjures thoughts of someone being given a few slaps. This kind of savagery went far beyond that.
Jesus. Is this still going on? The melodrama is strong in this thread
Nobody in this thread or anywhere else is defending that behaviour (save for Quinn in a tangential way).
But there are people in this thread, and evidently, people that occupied halls of power like Dukes that want to insist that it's endemic to the population of the region and to pin it on the character of the region.
Unacceptable Burlesconi crap and an insult to the cohesion of the country.
To say Dukes said the wrong thing upsets people is an opinion, but surely looking at the programme and seeing a fella walk up to lads eating and throwing a cup of boiling water in ones face and beating the other fella for no reason. Has to be wrong in any bodies head and can’t be defended, then the real nail in Quinns legacy the beating of Kevin Lunney by hired and paid scum surely in any part of the country Is wrong in any person head and all Quinn had do was call out the people behind it and would have gained a bit of respect back
Like I said Dav, pick a random hamlet in Ireland and go in there with p*ss and vinegar insulting them like you did in the post.
Let us know how you get on. Reality would hit you pretty quick.
What you just posted is exactly what Dukes was alluding to, a propensity for violence.
The irony of assaulting someone just because they say you have a propensity for criminality and violence, is lost on you.
Quinn was a good FF man i'm afraid donated a good few pound to them back in the day.
I have no time for Quinn or that priest for different reasons which I can't say on here. Neither are good people.
So…the truth hurts?
People besmirch Dublin’s good name with talk of junkies and squalor. Doesn’t really “upset” me as in some parts I see their point and in others I see they haven’t a clue.
A violent reaction to comments like that could only come from the very people the comments describe.
Hopefully the Paymaster doesn’t set the provo “heavies” on Mr. Dukes. Either way, I’m sure Quinn would have no knowledge of it but wouldn’t be able to hide his believe that he deserved it.
I grew up in place knowing full-well that if you insult people with broad strokes and scutter you're liable to get a clip around the ear.
It has served me well. I'd know better than to run an experiment like the one I proposed. You were obviously never taught that.
Jesus where do you live and what kind of an upbringing had you?
Most of us hear far worse than that in the pub on a Friday night and people don’t get their head boxed.
Office, pub, community bake sale. Take your pick.
Throw a dart at a hamlet in Ireland and try repeating what you said about that place and see what response you get.
You only say what you're saying under the cover of anonymity. The most pleasant thing you'd get is an invitation to get out of town with insults ringing in your ears. And depending on the temperment of the individuals present, you may find yourself exiting with an unwelcome souvenir to remember your trip.
That's Malin Head to Mizen Head, and that's life.
You're on a big-time e-muscle flex here. You know what you're saying is not repeatable in public anywhere in this country, and with good reason. It's a short cut to getting yourself in well-earned trouble.
You said “office” not pub. Every pub will have a few hard chaws who think they are defenders of the local parish, in most pubs, despite what you think, the person saying it would be laughed at or told to get out ta f**k, rather than beaten up,
Its in the breeding you see, most civilised people don’t think of violence, again, you are proving Dukes’s point by thinking that way.
Jesus @Yurt2 , we get it: you hate Fine Gael. Your point is made, you can give it a rest now.
No need to be torn. Sean Quinn destroyed his own legacy. If he'd had the common decency to admit to his mistakes, comply with the courts in his bankruptcy proceedings, pay back what he could of his debts and gratefully accept the advisor position the management team offered him he'd be a happier man and no doubt Kevin Lunney's kids wouldn't have to endure nightmares about their daddy being tortured.
You're a sheltered individual indeed if you think you could enter any pub in the land, call for attention, and repeat what you said about the town/region/county and not run the risk of getting duffed in the head. That's life I'm afraid. And it holds true in every townland in the country.
Most civilised people don't paint broad strokes about regions and try to pin a culture of criminality on a swathe of the population. Again, a point that will be lost on you.
You might think I would at risk of violence for saying that, by virtue of your upbringing, but the fact is that most civilised people don’t resort to violence, and don’t think they would be the victim of violence for saying what Dukes did, the fact that you think that way just validates Dukes’s viewpoint.
You are an angry kitten.
Doesn't matter what part of the country you said that about in public, you'd be taking the risk of getting lamped from Malin Head to Mizen Head and everywhere inbetween if you gathered a crowd and uttered that scutter about them truth be told.
And that's rather the point, which you will of course miss.
Ironically I’m probably more likely to be beaten up for saying it there than anywhere else in the country, which would kinda support Dukes’s point.
Dick Bergin plays a cynical detective who has been transferred to the Cavan border to investigate the disappearance of a load of cigarettes.
Truly outstanding.
Is there an award for tone-deafness to be handed out?
I'm not from the border region, so honestly I'm unmoved. But, I do have an honest question for you, would you genuinely have the stones to repeat all of that outside of mass to a small crowd in a border town or village, and away from the cover of anonymity of boards? Genuine question.
The difference between what I post and what you just submitted there is that I'm generally always happy to repeat what I post on whatever topic in real life. There's no way you'd have the guts to, because you'd be immediately scarlet for yourself and you know it.
And you wonder why Dukes got himself into bother.
Like I said, walk into an office in any border town and repeat what you just posted, jot down the response and report back to us.
Sub-Lega Nord sh*te.
Genuine question, when can we expect to see "Border county Ireland is a criminal region" on a FG manifesto? Because under the cover of anonymity and in the privacy of their own skulls, many apparent supporters are holding firm to that sentiment.
You are the one down a cul_de_sac,and you are not being humourous.
Dukes has been out of politics for so long now no one under 50 would even know what party he was in.
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://wd.vanillicon.com/v2/d38dadd4e9049f636f3a15f844846484.svg)
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://w0.vanillicon.com/v2/07abd39dc4f0afde3c391afc78cc920e.svg)
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://wa.vanillicon.com/v2/a46418388544fe9f8f6352b57fb2f921.svg)
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://w0.vanillicon.com/v2/0c95fbacfd3f8db330cceee65321bca3.svg)
