Dukes. The reference to Tipperary was blatantly on purpose. He had his fill of the mountain folk up in Quinn territory, he absolutely stuck it to them last night. I didn’t hear his “apology” but I dare say he was grinning while he made it.
Didn’t it say he owed 2.4 billion? The 0.4 had been paid off and out of the remaining 2 billion about 1 and a half would be going to pay back the Americans and that the rest won’t be paid back at all.
Sean Quinn went bankrupt in 2011
The debt with the company's bondholders seems to be on track to be paid off, as indicated by the documentary.
The companies were sold to clear a bit of debt. They aren't clearing Sean's debt now. Some of the profits are probably going to the American hedge funds as they expect to repaid. If he is bankrupt his debts are pretty much written off.
The bit I can't understand is why does he still own 1 to 2 billion in debt while all his business were taken over by IRBC?
Did these companies not make enough money since the take over to clear his debts? Or how are these debts still outstanding?
Dukes was 100 per cent right in what he said and everyone knows it.
Not every border person is a crook or violent but more than average compared to the rest of the country.
Menacing people with eyebrows on their cheeks. Ill-tempered and quick to anger. Think nothing of vigilante justice. Lads who love country music gigs and the brawls outside them. Bang of diesel off them.
Dukes said what everyone was thinking.
On what he said in the documentary last night, he knew it would rile people up and that’s exactly why he did it.
Dukes, or Quinn...?
Those complaining about Dukes, don’t forget that he would have sat opposite Quinn many times and would have had Quinn smirking back at him. I totally understand why he’d take the opportunity to smirk away while discussing his downfall. In the documentary, Quinn has this attitude that he’s untouchable and that’s after years in the wilderness. Imagine how bad he was when he had a few quid and Dukes was trying to deal with him?
On what he said in the documentary last night, he knew it would rile people up and that’s exactly why he did it. He wasn’t wrong though. We saw exactly what Quinn’s lackeys up that way were up to. €10m+ worth of damage done, ongoing and sustained intimidation of anyone that dared to speak I’ll of their daddy Sean and then those reptiles from the area that were interviewed who basically said the trouble was more than justified because outsiders dared to come into their community and break up the group. For people to have sat and watched that last night, and the previous two nights, and the only thing they take from it is a 10 second clip of Alan Dukes says everything you need to know about them.
Sean Quinn's hatred of Kevin Lunney has left a huge question mark over him and regardless of what he says it will be there long after he departs this life.
Drives me mad. The **** parasites have destroyed the site.
Well there we have it, Dukes apologies on Today FM conceding his utterances were unjustifed and offensive.
Yet we had some of the pom-pom unit defending them to the death.
I know news moves fast, but for flip sake lads keep an eye on the WhatsApp group for the latest line.
Absolutely shambolic post. The population of the border region is bearing down on on half a million people all-in. There was not half a million people marching in favour of Quinn. And even the ones that were were taken for a ride by the local big man and were afraid of their jobs vanishing. So no, the people of the border do not need lectures from anyone foghorning from a political foxhole because one of their grandees started spewing sh*te on prime time television.
You're scuttling away from the "in the blood" references to inherant violence that apparently lurks in the heart of border county denizen according to Dukes. If you stand over that, you're no better than him and you'll have to wear it. You'll wear it here, and you'll wear it in other threads.
I'll repeat, this is why people don't like Fine Gael and mistrust them. When they're caught rotten acting like pr*cks, they circle the wagons and man the barricades for the offending individual. Sound familiar?
For the record, there's far more than Carthy and Humphreys taking Dukes to task. It's obvious that the people in the counties think Dukes is a loudmouth arrogant fool, and by extension the FG pom-pom boys and girls going to bat for him, as well as the party.
This post shouldn't bother you all that much, because you're totally not a Fine Gael supporter right blanch?
Well, I am not a prominent FG die-hard, but I stand over every single word I have posted on this issue,
There is an issue in the border region, Dukes was right to call it out (albeit a bit clumsily), the permanently offended took offence, Heather is protecting her votes, Matt Carthy is foaming at the mouth, but people in the border region need to take a good long hard look at themselves and their neighbours and ask how and why so many of them marched in support of Quinn over the last decade or so and tolerated and allowed the public intimidatory warnings.
To my knowledge, none of the regular "Shinner" posters are present on the thread.
Prominent FG die-hards are here though, speaking in defence of the outrageous comments from Dukes that now FG officials are calling for retractions and apologies for because they know it has legs.
They're hunkered down now trying to figure out what to do with the thread now that the wind has changed.
Tale as old as time. Post in haste, repent at leisure.
Would have said more a me feiner.
Though the Shinners on here are very rattled for some reason.
SIPO has records of Quinn Group dontations to Fianna Fáil in the early 2000s. Not huge amounts, four figure sums, but a regular donor nonetheless.
The unwritten rule of boards: you can duck out of a good thread early or stick around until it descends into another SF vs FG bunfight
This is genuinely something I could see Sean Quinn saying
Not it isn't.
You're seeing people in a number of counties offended at Dukes' slur and further p*ssed off at his non apology.
That's not SF and the sooner the penny drops and FG leadership get out ahead of this and repudiate Dukes bilge the better. Instead, formbook cack-handed instinct kicks-in, and FG man the barricades in defence of "one of their own" like arrogant idiots.
If FG try to spin-this into a SF conspiracy they're going to get paddled. And rightly so.
Is Seanie Quinn a Shinner?
Didn't he say that "violence is in their blood", why couldn't he have said "certain people in that area who have no qualms in resorting to violence" which is true of anywhere you would care to mention. I would doubt it was a case of choosing his words badly as there was almost a contempt in the way he said it. I am not from that part of the country and to be honest I couldn't understand what I would regard as the undue and unquestioning reverence of some of the people up there for Sean Quinn. Notice I say 'some', unlike Dukes I wouldn't make a rash generalisation about a whole region.
The shinner PR machine has been in overdrive trying to keep the “focus” on Dukes instead of Quinn.
Did anyone else find it amusing, and worrying, when RTÉ showed an ad for the Late Late Show announcing Mary Lou McDonald as a guest? Ryan Tubridy saying she’ll be telling us what sort of Ireland she wants, right after the reenactment of provos terrorising private citizens on their way to work.
"In the blood" is in the same postcode though isn't it ?
Keep the soft-soaping up. It's having the exact opposite effect of what you intend it to. All good in the hood.
Mate have a look what I was responding too. I didn't bring Trump into it. Some Quinn fanboy did.
I think we need a separate thread on Dukes tbh. I don't think his comments should deflect from the chaos caused by the Quinns.
No, he wasn't suggesting that the people in that part of the country are genetically predisposed to violence, that is the type of hyperbolic reaction to his words that gives discussion a bad name..
Dukes exudes what Fintan O' Toole once described as the FG belief that they were born to rule and no doubt considers himself some kind of sage. Is he suggesting that the people in that part of the country are genetically predisposed to violence, more so than in other parts of the country and doing so without giving any historical context in regard to the violence that was imposed on them. His comparison with people in 'South Tipperary' is ironic given that that county saw some of the most was most intense violence in the context of the War of Independence.
Ah yeah it's just a mad coincidence you've been camped out on multiple thread in frenzied defence of Fine Gael for the best part of 24 months. Millions would doubt you blanch, but not I.
See you at election time. You're down to 1, and you can take it to Paddy Power. And you better hope your theories about sectarian headcounts and Heather Humphreys vote holds true as well.
The last Fine Gael candidate I gave a first preference to was in 1997 - Austin Currie. I have voted Green consistently since then in Local, General and European elections, with the exception of Joan Burton in 2002 and 2011 general elections.
My point about the border counties and four out of 19 seats still stands by the way. They may lose Donegal, but they will hold the other three.
If your lot let Dukes slur on the border counties slide and are content to soap it up, it would be right up Fine Gael's alley.
This is why many people quite rationally dislike Fine Gael by the way. A classic case where they should eat crow and recognise one of their number has gone off the reservation and uttered something disgraceful about a region of the country. Instead the pom-pom crew double-down and try to pal it up as normal commentary.
The punishment comes at election time, and it is coming at the party hard and fast. For much more than this by the way.
There'll be wailing and gnashing of teeth why the ungrateful masses don't return them to power, but when the votes get counted, you can guarantee you lot will entirely miss the point.
You're like the Borg, except in badly fitted suits.
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