A pit bull dog below in Wexford the latest episode of a child been savaged . Are these dogs suitable for pets .
PS The only people with Pitbulls or similar in our town are involved in drug dealing and or general criminality.
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Most sensible comment so far.
That's your idea of backing up a statement?
What about people who attack dogs, who beat the shít out of them and sometimes kill them? What do they deserve?
Nobody here has argued for the mass murder of pit bulls?
Have you read the thread at all?
But so many people are of no benefit to society.
Approx 400,000 people are murdered every year. That's an awful lot of murderers. Should people be banned?
Which breed ? The American xl bully or is there going to be a typical Irish reaction and tarnish all strong dog breeds.
I agree with tight restrictions on certain hybrid breeds of dog and also definitely certain types of owners.
We lost our Rhodesian Ridgeback boy of almost 14 years last month. They are on that list of restricted breeds despite never having attacked a human.
We are now being pressurised by neighbours because we hoped to get another RR puppy next year. This is crazy s#it.
Why not adopt a dog from a rescue centre, one that isn't on the restricted breeds list?
People feel entitled to get whatever they want, for aesthetic reasons I guess. Yaay puppy farms.
No good reason to keep any breed alive, they are human creations after all. Especially ones bred for fighting or freakish ones bred for looks that have difficulty breathing.
Dogs are not people. I know the term “straw man” gets bandied about willy-nilly on the internet, but this is actually a perfect example of the fallacy.
Can someone explain why you would want to have that type of dog that is on the dangerous dogs list as a pet? I just don't get why people would risk bringing one into their house endangering all in it but also to endanger everyone else in the neighbourhood.
You mentioned animals and didnt specify dogs!
You should use better context, what would you do if a dog and its owner were on your land and the dog was off the lease, plus the breed in question was a pit bull?
Because we have always owned and loved Rhodesian Ridgebacks.
Our neighbours adopted a rescue small mixed breed adult dog a few months back. He growled a number of times at their kids and then attacked their existing pet. Rescues can be just as volatile.
I still believe we live in a country with freedom of choice.
Mod - This is an emotive topic for some but everyone needs to stop with the personal insults. It's adding nothing to the discussion but seems to happening more and more on this thread lately
No, because people aren't dogs.
And we effectively "ban" people who murder by placing them in jail; the same kind of jail that pit bulls invariably belong in.
We can decide which animals pose a direct threat to us and our children and implement measures to mitigate against the harm those animals can cause.
Pit bulls are monsters. If they were bred out of existence, I wouldn't have a problem with that. I doubt the child or his family, who had his face torn asunder would have a problem with that. The pit bulls wouldn't even know this process was happening.
Child welfare should always come before animal rights, every time.
What criteria would you use for banning certain breeds.
Large dogs should be banned because of their size ?
Maybe all bull breeds , so along with American xl bully's and pitbulls, English bulldogs , French bulldogs , Staffordshire terriers and some pug breeds will be banned.
Think about what you are suggesting.
I agree 100% that these hybrid breeds should be severely restricted and I feel so sorry for that little boy and his family. But please don't demonise all large and powerful breeds and their owners.
I would be very interested to know the type of owner involved in the 66% pitbull fatalities in USA.
Thank you. Well said. The press are whipping up a so much hype and misinformation on this.
There are two very sad things in all of this. Firstly that poor child, this incident should never of happened. My heart goes out to him and his family.
Secondly the knock on effect will impact on responsible dog owners of ALL breeds, and contrary to popular belief, there are responsible dog owners.
Once again It needs to be emphasised
IT WASNT A PITBULL
Breeds should be banned based on a combination of temperament, history of violence/attacks. Not size, as plenty of bigger dogs can pose little to no risk to the public.
In addition to breed bans such as pitbulls, having proper legal penalties to owners of dogs involved in attacks should act as a suitable deterrent to bad owners who let their dogs roam. Of course that would require actual enforcement..
There was a good write up in 2016 on restricted breeds in Ireland. People can read it here
https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-thejournal-ie-dangerous-dogs-restricted-breeds-2775130-May2016/
From the article:
The third and final reference to it was in a study which found that a Rhodesian Ridgeback had been involved in one fatality in the 20-year period between 1979 and 1998 in the US – far fewer than non-restricted breeds like the collie, Labrador retriever, and Saint Bernard.
As for Breed specific legislation, it has been shown to have no effect on number of bites or injuries caused by dogs.
Good write up here
https://www.aspcapro.org/resource/are-breed-specific-laws-effective
In my opinion, banning or restricting certain breeds will do fook all. It's all in the article. There is lot of publications related to BSL and research done to show it has no effect. At some point Italy had whooping 60 breeds on restricted breeds list. Absolute nonsense, impossible to control.
I agree. I suppose I currently feel so emotive about this as our Rhodesian Ridgeback of almost 14 years died last month. That boy was the most loyal , loving and large friend and companion ever and I miss him terribly.
Rhodesian Ridgebacks are only on that list because of size. Because of hype and frenzy around restricted breeds our hopes of ever getting another RR puppy is in tatters , and that makes me angry and very sad.
The thing about those stats, is how many collies, labradors and saint bernards are there in the US compare to RRs? When measuring attacks you need to look at attacks per capita - thats the stat that matters when determine what breeds are more dangerous than others.
Shoot him. Out of control animal.
I know, but it's still only one fatality..
As for per capita numbers, think I've already posted stats earlier on the thread.
dog would have to be "worrying" livestock...no definition of "worrying" though...but I am guessing simply walking or trotting through the field minding their own business wouldn't suffice
Very few. I don't have exact figures but definitely a very minority breed. Only started to be recognised in usa in 1955 by akc.
For example there will probably be 1 litter in Ireland next year. Very similar in other countries. There are 32 RR puppies in UK at present.
I imagine a landowner wouldn't be grilled too much about it by the guards. It's a dog not a person after all.
I have seen a dog actively attempting killing sheep before, and it wasn't pretty.
There’s no point is showing stats that the likes of pit bulls bite less often than say a Jack Russell. If one those attacks a good kick would get rid of it, try doing that with a pit bull
An infant can't kick a JR away though.
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