Are yous talking about the putting the key cards in a faraday bag or has everyone got Tesla key fobs?
I know I should turn on pin to drive as the Bluetooth can be boosted and it’s been demonstrated on YouTube but I don’t really want to🤣
The relay attack was generally only possible on the older S/X as they all came with a key fob.
If you only have the 2 supplied key cards and your phone as a key in a Model 3, you can't be relay attacked in the same way that a Model S was stolen from Swords about 2 years ago. The Model 3 key fob which can be purchased in the Tesla store does have a feature to defend against relay attacks in that if it detects no motion for a few minutes, it goes to sleep and stops sending/receiving any wireless signals. It will only activate again when you grab your keys and it senses the movement.
Key Cards don't need to go into a faraday pouch, they'll only work in close proximity to the door pillar and centre console (like chip n pin).
I used to turn off bluetooth on my phone at night as my phone is left on a bedside locker right next to the wall where the car is just outside and below... but that only lasted about 2-3 weeks, and 2.5 years later I never give it a second thought! Some phones I believe you can schedule bluetooth on/off at certain times, but don't think I can do it on an iPhone! (would be handy to save phone battery).
If the bluetooth is ever boosted, Pin to Drive is the last line of defence.... It was turned on the day we collected the car before we left Sandyford, and it's been on ever since.
Arrived home yesterday evening after 12 days away. Car only lost 1% of battery, which seems very low considering temp was quite cold. Resisted temptation to check car too often when away, perhaps 3 times total.😊.
Used another 1% giving the car a quick heat to 18.5c when hopped on airport bus and switching on drivers seat heater and steering wheel heater. Driving to and from airport was 308 km total, both trips were during rush hours traffic so Naas to airport and return was often 50km/h or less. About 50 km each way at 110-120km/h and rest 80km/h speed limit. 23% left when home. Started with 100%.
Looks like my 4km/% is fairly accurate for mixed mainly easy driving at this time of year. Impressed considering the trip up was very wet, yet mild and light tail wind. Trip home was dry and cold but a head wind.
March 2022 Model 3 RWD LFP.
You’ll have no key. It’s the phone or a keycard.
The keycard only works when held against the pillar too.
I still turn my Bluetooth off every evening. Having lost an Ioniq in 2019 to a relay attack I don't fancy losing a Tesla too
Use pin2drive on mine. For the most part it’s no bother. The only pain is I need to get out of the car at work where I charge my car to swipe the gate to get out. Which means I have to enter it twice with in a min or two.
I only use the pin 2 drive if I am leaving my car all day or when going on hols. Home and work are well covered by cameras, I like the convenience of just getting in and driving.
Sorry meant key for current cars
Got 2022.40.41 update two days ago. Yesterday did 45 km back home at about 6pm rural roads, plenty of traffic. Auto dip/high beam worked perfectly, didn't blind anyone. Perhaps a little slow to revert back to high beam, but perhaps better that way on twisty roads with a car ahead.
Definitely noticed a drop in regen, had to use normal braking a few times where I normally would not have had to. Having gotten used to the strong regen previously, hope it reverts again on a later update..
Regen probably temp related, LFP batteries do not like a charge when cold, my 3 will still have restricted regen at end of work commute, ~21m steady driving
I've tested it for a week. My feeling is that full beam is not a setting to be left on auto all the time, especially on urban driving. Does not react on meeting pedestrians and stays on in lit areas. Now it works nearly as good as my paddy speccd 2019 Kona.
Yes, noticed that last night. Most other auto systems stay dipped when under street lights, or driving very slow in towns. Hopefully a further update will address that.
I find it works great for most oncoming traffic now. struggles a bit with the high lights on trucks when the main lights are obscured by the central barrier. Can’t be 100% but I am fairly sure the only other car I have used with auto lights did ok with that. It’s Not fantastic for cars in the distance you are catching up with either leave them on longer than with im comfortable with
but now they are atleast usable and makes it easier to use autopilot when it’s busy and you have to turn that off and on as you overtook
if they could sort that that would be my main bug bearer with the auto lights not dipping in urban areas... auto wipers on the other hand... what a POS spend more time having to manually engage them.
have been reasonably happy with the car (RWD) since I got it in September but must say I feel that I have been missold a car that is claimed to have a range of 491kms and when it is fully charged it gives a predicted range of 360km and rarely achieves more than 300km. I haven't gone back through this very large thread but I do recall some discussion about a large buffer with the new LFP battery that is now installed since the summer of 2022. The previous battery seemed to have a better range? I'm surprised there is so little discussion about it here or around the web.
it's a bit of an issue for me as I do a regular run from Dublin to Waterford and thought I would have no problem doing the 320 km round trip without a charge but unfortunately, that isn't the case.
I know in some countries people were notified of the change of battery and given the opportunity to cancel their order if they were unhappy with the change of battery technology.
My 520d was advertised with an average MPG of 50+.
You think that’s achieved in normal day to day driving, not a chance! Long motorway trip keeping to the limits or lower, yes. But it achieves half that in normal dad to day driving.
Same principles apply to EV’s unfortunately.
Don’t drive faster than 90km/h and you’ll easily do the return trip to Waterford on a single charge….
Well when I had a 520d it achieved a far closer mpg to the advertised range than the tesla. Tesla are advertising 490kms range. If I drive like a nun I will achieve 360kms so can't agree with you.
I could get 50 mpg from my remapped 535d on the motorway if I tried. But only for that short duration.
The 490 km is based on a WLPT cycle. Possible but unlikely to be achieved consistently in the real world.
i have a number of issues with tesla range
Sounds like it’s not the car for you.
There are cars with bigger ranges alright. The LFP battery is known to be poor in cold weather. It was widely reported and I knew that despite nor evening owning one.
The bigger thing is an issue right. Some have unlocked it by driving to 1% and leaving it over night without charging. Posted about in this thread a few times.
Can’t argue with the other points but I would be glued up enough on EV’s to know the WLPT generally can’t be achieved, same for any ICE.
The range displayed in the car is the EPA range and not related to previous driving, i.e. not a GOM as in other EVs.
Whats your kWh/100km? It's a 60kwh battery so assuming you're getting around 16 or so? That's fantastic compared to the competition. Look on threads for Ioniq, EV6, ID4 etc and you'll see they're all up around 20 for any sort of mixed driving and much higher on the motorway.
Looks like the 320 on the motorway is around the limit, in summer you'll probably make it or in winter you'll need a 5min stop or a short destination charge, or drive a bit slower.
Respectfully suggest you read back through the thread on this and you will be more informed as to the issues, which were debated at length, so much so that a separate discussion forum was created to ring fence the topic from this more general forum . The WLTP testing cycle is a recognised universal standard that facilitates meaningful comparisons across all cars, the conditions of which are based on precise predefined laboratory conditions. The common fallacy is that people expect (and I can understand this) that this is the range they should get in the real world, whereas range is always dependent on multiple variables, many of which are within the control of the driver but also extend to others factors, wind, incline, temperature etc. Another interesting point is that the range that is displayed on your vehicle is not based on WLTP but another metric EPA.
True that the LFP battery has a slightly lower WLTP but it is recommended that the battery can and should be be charged to its max 100% as against the previous battery which has a lower % recommended ...as charging to 100% results in battery degradation ..... Customers who placed an order when TESLA were advertising the higher WLTP (different battery) were alerted to let them know of the variation with an option to proceed or cancel their order and get their nonrefundable deposit refunded.
I am attaching a link which I found to be informative and helpful on the topic. Tests have also been completed to test range until car comes to a complete stop (using all accessible battery energy) and the interesting thing is that once the screen registered 0% the car drove an additional 50km before coming to a stop, which indicates a very prudent approach to battery management by TESLA (thats a whole other debate). Yes that means that when the car screen says 0%, there is still energy in the battery that can be accessed!
In the order raised
As Einstein said "keep it as simple as possible but no simpler". and the reality is that this is a complex area with so many variables which is why WLTP is accepted universally where every vehicle goes through an identical test cycle, so customers can easily compare vehicles of a similar type.
I too find the range is less than expected. I wasn't expecting WLTP range. Real expectation for me was 350 winter range mixed driving. I have a 70km round commute consisting of around 35km at 60kh/h, 5km at 80km/h and 20km at 100km/h and 10km at 120km/h. Most of this is done with autopilot, so I average below the speed limits when considering a good 15km is spent in slow moving traffic on the m50.
I would definitely be charging after 3 days with the average daily percentage consumption being 25-30%. I haven't paid much attention to this (loving the drive and the car) but I must be getting less than 300km if I were to count 100% to 0% displayed. Maybe....just maybe I would get the 350km in current temperatures if I drove to completely empty.
I do want to say though that I like that TESLA have included a chunky soft buffer. Yes, it will cause some inconvenience and will at times route the car to a charger prematurely, but it also makes sure you don't let the battery deplete too low, which could over the course of a night with a sharp drop in temperatures see the battery being damaged. If you do happen to run to 0% on a drive, you have plenty of range to get to a charger. For the majority of drivers who don't use public chargers from one end of the year to the other, this won't negatively effect them at all.
I have yet to use a Tesla Super Charger, so haven't been routed anywhere yet. I might use one this weekend just to make sure it works for me.
My Audi Q4 82kwhr battery ( 77kwh available ) has a realistic range of 290km in cold winter motorway driving . WLTP is 525km . So i take WLTP ratings with a pinch of salt (think less than 5% of the driving is motorway in WLTP tests)
motorway range is about 380km in summer, upto 470km pottering around in summer.
Tesla M3/MY 600kwh efficiency seems to be far better, and much better charging network on motorways. That’s why my next car is an Model Y.
battery in Q4 is 30% bigger than M3/MY but range only seems to be 10-15% more.
Last week I had 408kms range on 100/80 roads, 221 M3 RWD. YTD I’m on 137 usage average, I reset one of the trips now to see Winter usage
That’s actually a good idea.
Have 2 trip counters.
Or whatever suits. I’ve noticed the jump in my long term average (March till now) in the last 2/3 weeks from 194 to 204 (M3P).
Still learning this new language—could someone explain ˋ137 usage average‘ and acronyms breakdown ?
RWD. LFP WLTP ICE GOM EPA and sure there’s a few more
137Wh/km. this is how Tesla’s measure/show consumption, most other cars measure kWh/100km, so in the above case 137Wh/km would be 13.7kWh/100km
So if you have a usable battery of 60kWh, divide 137 into 60,000 to get your average range based on average consumption: (437km range based off above numbers…)
my SR+ has a usable battery if about 49kWh, and my average consumption is about 146Wh/km, so my range is around 335km under average conditions… (based on my driving/consumption).
