Russian maintenance depot gets hit:
Next they will be telling us that ukraine should surrender and give putin everything he wants and this will all end or lads did you hear about the russian nuclear weapons.
Again
Putin throwing his toys out of the pram again.
Did you see the part where i said: “and yes I know the Russians are doing that already”, or are you being deliberately obtuse?
I'd imagine some on here could get upset and call for investigations to rule out Ukrainian involvement and war crimes investigations to keep the Ukrainians honest if this false flag goes ahead,
Can't see it happening they have been called out by everyone pretty much before it happens
I'd say Putin is spitting with rage by the restraint Ukraine are showing by not attacking Moscow or any civilian area. He'd love it.
worrying scenes in ukraine today - massive blackouts across the country as a result of todays wave of bombing
they will very soon reach a point where their grid cannot provide enough electricity for most of their (remaining) population - what happens then?
Morality kinda goes out the window when you'd have the likes of the Russian bastards brutalising your country. Wouldn't you agree?
Or would you just roll over and let them do as they wish?
Where's your moral compass? As far as your speel goes here, it's firmly jammed.
Oh and by the way, might be a case for rounding up and interning all Russian citizens here. You wouldn't know what they'd be up to, would you?
Ukraine fight on as they realise that Russia have no other ace's up their sleeve
yeah but what happens to their millions of citizens with power/heat/water? Its a humanitarian crisis about to happen, not as simple as "man up, soldier on"
Not to mention the impact it will have on ukrainian logistics for the war effort
"Morality kinda goes out the window when you'd have the likes of the Russian bastards brutalising your country."
So indiscriminate warfare is ok as a retaliatory measure to the other sides indiscriminate warfare? Is that what you're saying?
When you look at it, this is an incredibly unbalanced 'war'. It's an invasion of a country which is effectively prevented from fighting back fully. In any normal war time situation the past, if a country bombed the hell out of a neighbours' infrastructure they could be fairly certain of getting a reply on their own territory.
Instead, we've Ukraine on an entirely defensive position and being incredibly restrained in their response. All they're doing is clearing an invasion of their own territory on their own territory.
Russia is certainly feeling economic and social consequences as their businesses and citizens are finding it hard to trade and interact with the world and diplomatic consequences as they're frozen out of various organisations, but it just shows how they can invade with utter impunity in many respects.
In the meantime, you've still got useful idiots regurgitating Kremlin propaganda, which keeps trying to present a 'both sides' nonsense argument.
In this case, though, the drug dealer (Russia) went down the road and assaulted the average Joe (Ukraine). Are you saying that Ukraine should have just taken it?
I still can’t understand how a country can bomb another countries infrastructure so their citizens freeze and have no light in the 21st century and seemingly get away with it without serious retaliation.
And said country is on the UN council.
It really just shows the UN Security Council as being a useless talking shop. There's one rule for the permanent members, and one rule for everyone else. It effectively means the organisation has no moral authority whatsoever anymore, if it ever had.
Its already a humanitarian crisis. Millions have fled. Do you think that no electricity changes that?
What russia is doing now, is an admission from a military point of view they have lost the war. They cannot do anything else but bomb civilian infrastructure and hope that the Ukrainians sue for peace, but that is highly unlikely to happen, given the success that Ukraine has had on the battlefield.
To add, Russia doesn't have an unlimited amount of missile to take out this infrastructure, infact from reading of it, they are almost of out them and Ukraine anti-missile defence is much better now then it was previously.
I maintain that if and once Ukraine and Europe get over the Winter and we get into Spring... Russia will be the one to blink.
Strange thing about this war 17-pdr, most Russians living in Russia, especially in Moscow and St. Petersburg (Main Citys) etc. do not give a damn about Russian bombing atrocities killing innocent Ukrainian citizens, the majority (Russian) even openly support such killings. And neither do they give a damn about the deaths of their own soldiers. Of course, for the families of the dead soldiers, it's a different matter, and you can be % sure that they are not supporting the war. Now extrapolate a bit, (not that it's going to happen) and Ukraine gets weapons with far greater range, and greater destructive capabilities and starts tit for tat shelling in Moscow and St, Petersburg etc. You can be sure that while death and destruction raining down on citys thousands of klms away from them, does not bother them, the same thing happening to them directly will cause a big change of attitude, and questioning of why its happening to them. And for sure the war would not have lasted as long as it has.
OK, if it suits your argument that you want to push so much - then Ukraine could be enabled to carpet bomb Russian cities by way of revenge. Happy now?
What are you saying? Turn the other cheek? And let the Russians rape you?
What this invasion shows is that if you've nuclear arms, you can basically do whatever the hell you like with minimum consequences beyond a bit of social, economic and political isolation. That's the message it sends and it's why North Korea is now starting to beef up its missile programmes and no doubt more will follow.
Honestly, quite a depressing situation - humanity doesn't look like it has all that many more generations left before it wipes itself out.
The UN is now broken. It has shown itself to be utterly useless when push comes to shove. Time for a new body when this mess is over.
Russia doesn't have an unlimited amount of missile to take out this infrastructure, infact from reading of it, they are almost of out them
lol
The UN has only ever applied to tinpot dictators from backwaters in Africa and Asia. It was never able to hold the big players to account. Now its just become clear to everyone
How many missiles do Russia have left?
Nope. The current NATO strategy of arming Ukraine is working quite well I would have thought. Why escalate (or descend) to a level of brutality that the enemy are engaging in as a possibly better strategy?
Because war is brutal? It's brutal on the ground for both Ukrainian & Russian troops. But it's also additionally brutal for many Ukrainian citizens since they are being targeted as a Russian military tactic.
Anyway, so what's your proposal to bring this war to a conclusion. It reads from above, that you think NATO and allies should supply as many weapons and munitions as necessary to crush the Russian army on Ukrainian soil. What else do you propose? How do you see it all ending?
The Kazakh chocolate industry have spotted a new market.
TASTE THE FREEDOM Vatnik.
Make a nice Christmas present.
"lol"
So why are they reliant on Iranian drones then?
How could a new body do any better than the current UN? The problem the UN faces is unsolvable - the only way to solve it would be to have a UN army bigger than any individual nations, so that the UN can police those nations who dont respect its rulings. And that will never happen, not a hope there will be enough buy in to support something like that.
Me neither. Ukraine should be bombing them right back, it's the only way the Russians might ever question their government. But they can't, cos they depend totally on western weapons and the West is still afraid of nuclear retaliation
Lets see how the current strategy plays out. I won't suggest what Ukraine should do next as I am unaware as to what Ukraines current and future logistical capabilities would be. It will depend on what NATO supplies them with. You can't plan with what you don't have. Also bare in mind what Antony Blinken said last Summer re the use of donated weapons systems on Russian soil. NATO does not want escalation. I believe that remains the case.
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