We're splitting hairs here, okay the coordinates aren't shot on for the village, but those coordinates could be right for the bomb site!
Okay let's move the coordinates from Mullinabreena's post to Przewodów village (approx 8km from the original location). There's a few grain silos beside the village at 50.4745N 23.921E, let's use their location for an example, guess what, the new coordinates still land in Kviv and Lviv.
Kyiv 50.4745N 30.5234E (approx. 800m from a bridge over the Dnipro River)
Lviv 49.842957N 23.921E (approx. 500m from a rail line or 3km from Danylo Halytskyi International Airport)
The missles landed 12km away from the supposed coordinates of the missile site shared by that poster. You can't just go picking other sites along 50° North looking for patterns here.
"You can find any pattern you want to any level of precision you want as long as you're prepared to ignore enough data."
It (the mistaken coordinates) does sound like one of those conclusions reached by Twitter/Youtube experts - they sound good at first, but aren't really based on facts. There was that "they tried to hit the interconnector line on the border" explanation as well, which sounded like a thing someone would come up with just to get a lot of views.
Minister Coveney on Morning Ireland now discussing that Russian banned list:
Reading between the lines I would say there are no SF names on it, nor PbP or Clare or Mick either!!!
Poland now claiming they are being put under massive pressure to say that the missile came from Russia.
Who in Poland?
Some citation would be good.
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I'm no fan of Russia, I wish someone would take Putin out the yard and pug him down like a dog, but this line
"Shame on the west/world allowing civilian distruction and devastation by a terrorist state."
I'm sorry but western countries have been doing this for decades now and there was hardly a peep out of anyone.
There does not appear to be a list. The Russians named 6 and said there were 52. They might be struggling with the spelling given their well known level of incompetence, or they might just be too lazy to make a list.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/taoiseach-not-sure-theres-a-list-of-52-irish-officials-banned-by-russia-1393882.html
Not a peep out of anyone.
That is absolute utter Rubbish, you have clearly had your head buried somewhere for 60 years since the Vietnam protests.
MSN news says the deputy foreign minister.
Actually I could just imagine the miniony Wormtail Filatov eagerly compiling the list in Orwell road in a bid to curry favour with his masters back in Moscow and lashing it off in the diplomatic pouch and then being puzzled as to why he got no acknowledgement or reply. Meanwhile the lower level foreign affairs staff in Moscow are looking at the communique, surprised that they have an ambassador in an outpost called Ireland (Surely our presence there is only for the purpose of eavesdropping on the US tech companies based there) and wondering who are these insignificant names that he has forwarded on to them. No point in escalating this up the chain of command. Into the filing cabinet with it....
As much as people here want NATO to get directly involved (either for sake of righteousness, or for the specacle of it), I can understand why the Polish strike, if it has been discovered to be Russian-fired might not be considered a crossing of the line. The war now, as catastrophic as it has become, is moving along predictable lines. With the help of its backers, Ukraine will run the Russians back over their border, and in time will become Europe's Eastern defence wall, while Russia's domestic problems will only intensify - by all accounts, this era of Russian history is coming to a close. But for NATO to become directly involved, I think, would cause the war to spiral out of control to such a degree that the world as we have known it since WWII may no longer be recognizable...
I hate to be a pedant, but MSN is a search engine for news not a News agency, it is basically Google.
I am interested in reading the article you read so do you have a link?
Palestine destroyed yearly by Israel and supported by Western countries, Yemen destroyed, Iraq destroyed, Libya destroyed, Afghanistan destroyed by Western countries.
I think the full list was eventually confirmed later yesterday (although all the names on the list weren't released):
Over the course of the day Mr Martin at one point questioned whether the list really existed but in a later statement the Department of Foreign Affairs confirmed it had been given the names of the 52 citizens subject to the travel ban.
Russian army shelled Semenivka community
I believe this is it. It won't open for me in Chrome for some reason, but works in Edge. Not sure if that's a deliberate act by MSN/Microsoft, or a local issue on my computer.
Polish authorities warned Thursday that they have received "strong pressure" to admit that the projectile that fell Tuesday in the east of the country came from Russia and not Ukraine.
The Polish deputy foreign minister, Arkadiusz Mularczyk, said in an interview with Radio 24 that "there has been great pressure" and stressed that, if it were Russian, "this would have set in motion new dynamics in the country and around the world".
And all of them all over the news and objected to daily by millions in the west for the last 40 years. "Not a peep" is demonstrability utter rubbish.
Between January 3rd 2003 and February 15th 2003, 36 million people took part in 300 anti war protests. Yet there was "not a peep". I repeat, your assertion is a deliberate misstatement of the facts.
It will be interesting to see the list, but I will not be shocked if I see Eamon De Valera included.
I fail to understand why the Gov is making such a big issue over this barring of 32 , mainly TDs’. They very seldom go to Russia anyway and certainly not now. Main reason that TD’s ministers went to Ru in the past was on trade missions. I cannot see Ireland going to Ru on a trade mission in the foreseeable future.
why was the bombing of over 10 areas in Ukr not ‘discussed’ with Filavov and many other issues in relation to the war - especially the non military targets hit, .And trying to put the whole country into darkness and into a freezing mode over the winter
he could have also used the opportunity to review the Ru embassy staff re their relevance in the embassy.
And finally ,I assume all the Irish embassy staff in Russia are very supportive of the Irish government support for Ukr , so why did Ru not have them all on that list
Sanctioning embassy staff in your own country is a bit of an own goal - you need these people as a liason between you and country X. If theyve personally misbehaved you can dismiss them and get a replacement, but sanctioning them is pointless.
Russia sanctioning irish TDs is just performative theatre. As you say, its pointless, these people seldom if ever go to Russia, its just so that Russia can look like hard men back in their own country. "You stop selling computer chips to mother russia? How do you like it if Michael Martin and Timmy Dooley can no longer come to Moskva!"
I'm surprised its gotten any airtime to be honest, it doesnt mean much
I live near the Taoiseach's home and pass it quite regularly. There hadn't been a garda presence (usually a car parked discreetly near the house) in a good few months now, but on Wednesday, I noticed the garda car was back there again. Perhaps his security detail felt it was wise after the sanctioning. After all, you never know if such a thing might embolden some nutjob out there to approach his home...
That's Mick and Clare impersonating Garda. Arrest them.
Pressure from who I wonder? Ukraine I'm assuming...
And 'admit' is surely the wrong word there. Seems to imply a Russian missile is the true story...
No shinners, or greens or lefty mad socialist crazy fools on the list. Or Mick & Clare. Colour me shocked.
So you're happy to see and accept that ordinary Ukrainian civilians will be ongoing collateral damage, because Europe cannot get it's act together to close and defend Ukrainian airspace. In the past, many times states have stood back in similar situations and then later pretended they didn't know what was happening and wrung their hands. That excuse is worthless in the modern world.
No more than the Skibbereen Eagle of old I detect a distinct bias in this list against Mayo specifically. 2 of our 4 TD's and one of our Senators on the list.
I suppose it's good that Liam Lawlor is no longer alive, otherwise this could have had devastating impact on his, ahem, "business interests"!
Happy ? How can I be happy about cowardly Russian rockets destroying hospitals and schools. How can I be happy about young children going to bed tonight in freezing cold temperatures. Jesus....
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