It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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You are not seeing the poverty been generated by Tory policies.
That's the point. Cruelty for everyone but me is Conservatism in a nutshell.
It shouldn't just be about criticizing the Tories, the Labour party should be putting forward solutions to help with the cost of living and that way out pressure on the government to do something. Being in opposition isn't simply about holding everything back until election time, it is about holding the government to account and putting forward alternatives.
I am not saying Stamer is cut from the same cloth, I said the fundamental problems. So lack of growth, Brexit, lack of a new energy policy, education, NHS etc etc.
Brexit is done might be technically true, but you could say the same for Truss is PM now so nothing should change. Brexit is far from done, it will never be done. What Starmer should be doing is arguing for a correction of Brexit. But that requires courage, and Labour, not unsurprisingly, have opted to simply sit by and watch power to handed to them by default. The next party on the merri-go-round.
Which is perfectly fine as a plan to gain power, but gain power for what? There are serious structural problems in the UK. At the moment Labour aren't even talking about them never mind put forward an alternative.
I watch these things a lot closer than just the drama queens on this site. I have strong connections to that raped and pillaged country.
It is. I don't see why you keep saying otherwise.
For now, we all know what the government needs to do - cap bills. It won't because Truss is little more than a sock puppet of the ASI, IEA and other grubby little Tufton St think tanks.
God, I miss multi-quoting.
How long to you think Truss is going to last? This comparison makes even less sense. Brexit is done. We even had Steve Baker apologising at one point for his part in how things were done.
Its sad but people in these high positions now see trolling "libs" on Twitter as a major part of their job.
then you clearly aren't looking close enough.
there is a major cost of living crisis at the moment and the UK was already going through a significant increase in living costs, particularly housing costs. Combined with the effects of austerity brought in after the banking collapse has been it very tough, but words like raped and pillaged are just childish throw away statements that don't actually mean anything.
You talked about crisis capitalists, do you actually think the City of London, one of the world's financial hubs, actually wants political and financial turmoil? Banks and Business want stability and growth, not turmoil and stagnation. If the conservative party only favoured a few hedge fund managers, how long do you think, in all reality, that they would last as a party?
Like I said, you need to ignore the overly dramatic statements made on this forum and read more reliable news sources.
How do you know where this poster gets their news from ?
Energy bills have been capped, have they not?
I fail to see how Labour's plans are going to make any difference
Recent statements from her, such as this one and the 'dreaming of reufgees on a plane to Rwanda on the front page of the Daily Mail', make me very suspicious of her.
Is she just a total idiot who has bought into this approach wholesale and really believes it? Or is she just parroting points that she believes will appeal to the Tory base?
I loathe the way she approaches the whole thing, appearing to be absolutely delighted in pursuing these policies, but I have my doubts about her motivation for all this and just how sincerely she believes it.
It speaks volumes at the decreasing calibre of senior Tories when Truss, Braverman and Coffey make their predecessors seem less bad.
Can anyone give me a brief synopsis (an idiots guide) to why Jeremy Corbyn's views were so radical?
Starmer is obviously more middle of the road and was seen (rightly or wrongly) as more palatable to floating voters, but what was it about Corbyn's manifesto/beliefs that made labour unelectable under his stewardship?
Seeing as this is a thread about the Tory leadership its not the place to go into detail on that.
they weren't so much radical, more regressive.
His brand of socialism of tax the **** out of anyone who earned a good living, pay people more for doing less and nationalise everything (including all the drugs used by the NHS!) was tried, tested and failed miserably in the seventies.
A lot of Labour's individual policies poll quite well when decoupled from Labour. There are a few problems that go beyond Jeremy Corbyn though.
Firstly and most importantly, the UK is a very individualistic country, much moreso than Ireland. The more I think about it the more of an anachronism the NHS is. Margaret Thatcher once said that there is no such thing as society and, in the UK, I would agree. Therefore, Socialism is already on the back foot here. Of course, there are organisations like the various trade unions and the Fabian society but on the whole, most people here are not Socialists.
Secondly, the voting system. It doesn't allow for much in the way of choice so people who may be inclined to vote Labour but are not socialists like most people have an incentive to vote Tory, particularly when the latter identify a hook in their research they can use such as "Get Brexit done".
Thirdly, while there was an orchestrated media campaign against Corbyn, he provided them with a veritable cornucopia of ammunition to use against him.
Finally, the policies themselves came across as extremely extravagant just as the effects of Brexit were becoming apparent. The narrative here is heavily focused on perceived fiscal prudence until of course the Tory party decided that a magnanimous state was fine and now borrowing to subsidise billionaires is fine. In 2019, this wasn't the case and it was therefore a weak point in Corbyn's campaign.
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Energy bills have not been capped, price per unit of energy has been capped so you will only pay 2500 if you use the average amount of energy, if you use more than the average you will still pay more.
Can you really disentangle the dysinformation regarding Corbyn with what he actually stood for. Read the manifesto and decide for yourself, I doubt you will get a truthful response here or in the media.
Ah, the key Rugby League question.
Absolutely hilarious that she is pretty much saying that these decisions had to be taken because Kier Starmer has done nothing for two years.
Gaslighting. Straight out of the conservative playbook when their backs are against the wall. Pathetic.
Energy Price Guarantee, Energy Price Guarantee, Energy Price Guarantee it is literally her answer to everything, she must have said it 20+ times now
The irony being this energy price guarantee is a blank cheque that can now be used by Putin to squeeze the British economy even further by driving up the price of gas higher again. There are lot more gas lines he can sabotage including the ones running through Ukraine that have been operational throughout the war up until now. He has already sabotaged Nordstream and now he can sabotage more and sit back and watch the Tories having to borrow further to cover their energy price guarantee.
Possible U-Turn on keeping Triple Lock on pensions was the big thing there. Hunt seemed to want to get rid of it on Monday, Truss keeping it today. Hard to know if Hunt was blindsided by this announcement or not.
that is certainly the interesting thing to come out of this. If the triple lock is kept, then it’s politically very hard to not increase all welfare by inflation. Puts her in direct conflict with Hunt. I still think that the triple lock will go. I think she had little option this morning but to say what she did, and it’ll come back to bite her. It’s day by day survival at this stage
The cap on care costs is also a big deal here
If the triple lock goes, so do some of those last 40 seats or so the pollsters have them at. Plenty of elderly voters will be swayed on that, and their turnout is huge
They will hold onto it until they can't. They know they are unelectable without the geratric vote.
That'd be particularly stupid if a recent Tory PM had tried to, say make wealthier seniors pay something towards their own care or replace the triple lock with a double lock.
It seems to be official Tory party policy to gaslight the British public into taking the blame for introducing a welfare state a hundred years ago. Heard it on two heavyweight BBC programs this morning. Outstanding brass neck.
Labour's problem wasn't Corbyn's view, or his manifesto. Labour policies were actually more popular in polls and focus groups at the time than Tory policies - so long as respondents weren't told that the policies they were being asked about were Labour policies. Respondents who were told that rated the policies less favourably.
Which tells us that it wasn't the policies themselves that were the problem; it was the Labour brand. It could be that respondents distrusted Corbyn's values or his character, or they just found him personally unattractive, shifty, not to be trusted. Or it could be that he was monstered by the UK media, which is predominantly hugely right-wing. Or it could be some combination of these things.
Sky News picked out Hunt appearing to nod in agreement when she made the remark
It was definitely a huge media disinformation campaign that a large portion of the public fell for. But a big factor was that this character assassination was heavily supported by the right wing of the Labour party, including people like Starmer and most of his shadow cabinet, because it was more important to them to take control of the Labour party back away from the members than it was to get into government. They knew full well the mess the Tories would make of the country but decided it was worth handing the keys and allowing them to unleash misery on the public in return for seizing control of the party ahead of the next election which the Tories were sure to lose.
I see Truss has pulled out of a public event today where she was going to take questions from the press
Escaping with the tail between the legs
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