Not in or between liberal democracies. That's my point, and it is unprecedented in human history for so many states and regions to coexist peacefully. But it is in the areas where liberal, democratic, capitalistic countries are. We are still living with the curse of totalitarianism, communist and socialist destruction of humanity in order to save humanity. You're just in too deep with the Chomskyesque propaganda to understand that. The US has, quite rightly, often acted to extend the benefit from this progress, that you and I enjoy, to other states. Putin is trying to drag Russia and its former colonies back to totalitarianism.
I'm telling you you are still within an ideological bubble, a simplified world view with an invented bogeyman. You can get out of it.
Bridges and transport infrastructure have been legitimate targets in many wars throughout history.
In this case 3 civilians were reported to have been killed in the attack, tragic as it may be, I dont think they were the intended target, rather it was an attempt to damage the bridge enough to slow and disrupt Russian military back up from reaching the front lines.
Can we say the same for the revenge attacks we seen today in Kyiv? Is indiscriminate bombing of towns and cities ever justified in wars?
And I would include western nations guilty of that in the past.
Russia ranks 4th in the world in terms of migration, ahead of the UK and one place behind the Utopia that is Saudi Arabia.
I have literally no problem with anybody wanting to go to America J wanting to better themselves, no doubt they should be allowed in this era of US hegemony. More the merrier for the USA in my eyes. Problem I have is that the Americans themselves are vehemently opposed to any of that happening, yet they are the ones in control of the "free world". No point in having a global empire if you don't want the global plebs following you home. Better deal with it because looked what happened in the empire of Great Britain.
Big bad America....bad bad boy!!! Very strange though, that thousands and thousands of people try to enter the US every year...far more than the nrs trying to get Russian citizen ship..actually, in Putins Russia, the life is so bad that for every 1'000 live births, there are 500 abortions. You can check the stats if you want. There's something rotten in a Country where women prefer not to bring children into it..one of the reasons that Putin is kidnapping Ukrainian children to try and stop the falling birthrate. Its what happens when a mafia state sucks the life out of a Country. Give me the big bad ol' Us of A any day for all it's faults any day.
What the christ are you on about, the last century of "liberal democracies" was the most bloody century on record, you had wars all over the planet, especially after the two world wars, every section of the planet was thrown into coups, genocide, drug wars and "interventions" of every make shape and form, add to that you had the rise of the state backed technological weapons dealers who flittered the planet with every sort of far controlled mass murder weapon ever devised. Just because it didn't happen down the road from you doesn't negate the reality it was executed to such a devastating effect that it resulted in the murder of over 1 Billion people, so don't be talking to me about History gasun, especially 20th century.
Well, that's him told.
Back in reality, only one country put forward the concept of introducing nukes into this conflict and that country was Russia. You can bet your life that the US are never going to launch any kind of nuke over the issue of Ukraine. If one were to hit American soil, it would probably be quite a different story, but not Ukraine.
I think you don't know very much about history at all, and what you do know is likely wrong. There has never been a period of inter-state peace like the decades after the second world war. The frequency of war between states has been decreasing and decreasing steadily with the spread of liberal democracies and open markets.
Most military analysis since the weekend has been about the fact that the Kerch Bridge was / is vital to resupplying the Putin forces in Ukraine.
Putin is a mad man of course he could use them and the hawks in the U.S are equally as mad.
Based on the MAD doctrine. Which would of course spell the end of Putin and his Russia too. Do you think that's likely to happen? The west has stated that even if Putin launches a nuclear strike. they will reply with conventional weapons. So, if anyone starts a nuclear exchange, it will be Putin.
You have far more growing up to do, and history to read, because the solution you propose ultimately ends up in a never ending cycle of violence that has plauged the planet for more than 300 years (arguably more). The violence suits certain agents that can benefit from it. You on the other hand, will not benefit from it, no matter how much you cheerlead it.
Built illegally, following an illegal invasion, used to supply a war effort to extend Putin's lebensraum.
And mainly used by civilians?
By your logic it would be ok for Hamas to target civilian infrastructure in the West Bank or any of the occupied territories in Israel? That ain't gonna wash.
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Yeah, lets just ignore every facet of history and its consequences for the sake of virtue signalling. That worked out well in the past.
I just hope they all have their homework done for the morning.
Nah E, I'll concentrate about it all because every facet of it has resulted into the $hitshow we now currently reside in. The Russians know full well how to utilise it, better catch up or they will ultimately win. Do you want that or no?
I see the "Yeah but America" brigade have woken up again.....
I get it now: you are just consumed by hatred of America, which has warped your judgement (like some members of the European Parliament I could mention).
The funny thing is, I used to believe this kind of nonsense too, it must be an extended teenage thing. I eventually grew out of it in my 30s. Hearing people spout this kind of stuff in 2022 is like waiting to tell someone that WWF wasn't real wrestling. Like I was, you aren't considering the root of the problem, the inherent instability in clan/tribal systems trying to collectively prop up a state level government. Yes, the US and the UK held the view that strong tyrants were a less worse option than anarchy and feudalism. The problem is they are held together by charismatic/psychopathic leaders who eventually die and leave an extremely volatile power vacuum.
So in your belief "American policy" comes before your own nations policy? Good to know man, good luck with that. Come back to me in a years time, see how it's working out for you. Unless you are an American and not Irish, then I'm quite sure this will work out for you just fine.
Ah, back to Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, Libya: whataboutery is the first refuge of the scoundrel. Can't you concentrate on Russia v Ukraine, which is what this is all about.
The bridge was used to supply Russians illegal invasion of a sovereign country.
A bridge going to Crimea which was illegally invaded also.
Countries act in their own national interest, first and foremost. There are no particular illusions about that. If it were in the American interest to have a weak, exploitable Europe, there would have been an American policy towards that since at least 1945 when the continent was on its knees from war. Yet America has co-existed with a prosperous Europe since that time with seemingly little issue.
Most of those countries were unstable for decades because they were propped up by Yank backed rule or other form of intervention. Jesus Christ, Gaddafi was claimed by the Yanks and the Brits as an ally literally one year before he was raped up the arse by a Al Qaeda bayonnet while both establishments watched it online and laughed
The thing with alot of people that cheer on these wars is the only time they have seen conflicts up close is on their tv screens. They haven't seen the destruction air strikes cause and the utter carnage and terror it leaves behind.
Its quite hypocritical also that the same posters on here that cheered the destruction of civilian infrastructure in Crimea are the same ones bemoaning it when its happening in Kiev.
When the Russians were unable to properly supply their soldiers during the summer, imagine what the winter is going to be like for them.
Most of those countries were/are completely unstable for decades, held together by tyrannical dictators. If you think that the inevitable passing of these dictators would have been a smooth ride for those countries, or the rest of the world, then I'm just going to laugh in your face. They were waiting to explode for decades.
Yes, and basically wasted them. Something they might have cause to regret down the road, when they might need them for more important military targets.
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