It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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Imagine talking about the UK in a thread dedicated to the current PM. Shocking carry-on altogether.
Hi Bonnie,
very nice to hear from you, its been a while.
Great to see you are still spectacularly missing the point though.
So because the area "needs a boost" people should just shut up and let it happen? Would you want fracking near your home or would you fight it all the way?
When did I say that?
Everyone who doesn’t share a right wing libertarian ideology is now a raving lefty. Rory Stewart, who I think espouses true conversative values is viewed as a lefty these days, so far right have the Tories tacked.
Just following the "RINO" trend in the US which now just means "Doesn't show absolutely loyalty to the Leader"
anyone who disagrees with the Boards Politics group think is a Tory Bot apparently, so why not.
Toxic politics, no one does it better than Boards.ie
The problem here is you're the lone ranger mounting a defence of high-water-mark economic idiocy and trying to chummy-up to plonkers whose days in cabinet are numbered after a week. And you're surprised that you're getting pushback.
They probably won't do any more fracking anyway the Tories just need to be pro it because the "lefty, wokey, transy, greeny" people are against it.
Added to that it's more fake pretend "leveling up" job creation that will never happen.
No politician other than a minority of Tories have any interest in re-starting fracking.
No point in Labour bringing it up until they are in power as you know how it would be spun. May as well get the thumping majority first.
And anyone who disagrees with you is a raving lefty.
Glad we cleared that up.
Usual guff.
Good morning - you must be new. Everything's been liveral/libtard/leftist/raving according to the conservative mindset for a while now.
Are you actually expecting to find lots of support for a Tory government on a discussion board based in Ireland?
The Tories have always been massively unpopular in Ireland for lots of reasons for a very very long time.
However this latest iteration of the Tory Party in their current run of leadership have created a whole new set of reasons for the average Irish person to dislike and distrust them.
You are always going to be plowing a lonely furrow supporting the Tories , but especially Truss and friends.
Yeah pretty much. You'd have been hard pushed to find an Irishman before 2016 who particularly cared, and back then, it was just another party. This new incarnation of the Tories are so defiant to anything external, you can't but take notice. It's wild how the ideology drives it.
And, lest we forget, they risk ROI security with their farcical Brexit and its impact on stability in NI, which they've done nothing about since 2016. Other than occasional verbal farting about Article 16 and repealing their own, negotiated, but to-date not fully implement Northern Ireland Protocol.
It's beyond 'defiant' of anything external - it's actively malevolent. So, it's both amusing, and dangerous at the same time.
Let alone knock-on effects from their economic mismanagement
The mistake you are making is thinking that posters are are pointing out the issues with the Tories and Truss are doing so only from the POV of being on the left or hating the UK or the Tories.
You seem unable to look at criticism as anything other than a political attack, rather than looking at the issue itself. That probably says more about your POV than many of the posters.
Are you happy with how Truss has handled this? Do you agree with the roll back on the limit on bankers bonuses? Do you agree that they were right to push ahead a massive tax cut without any figures or plan of how to make it up?
Do you think Truss was right to break a promise of fracking, without any reason for why the position had changed and what 'local consensus' actually meant? Are you happy dhe has explained why and how fracking is going to deal with the energy crisis.
Are you happy that in the same budget that they gave the richest 1% a 5% tax cut, they provided nothing for the cost of living crisis and have no plans on training, upskilling, education?
Are you happy that apart from threatening those on income support with loss of support unless they take up jobs, they did nothing to deal with the chronic shortage of workers in the UK in order to drive the return on investment on which the entire policy is based?
The Tory Party conference sounds like they are re-hashing their greatest hits all in the middle of an economic crisis
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/30/tory-conservative-conference-2022-guide-all-you-need-to-know-liz-truss
Sunday: On a day headlined as “delivering for the nation”, speakers include the defence secretary, Ben Wallace, after tributes to the late Queen Elizabeth II.
Monday: Every word uttered by the chancellor, Kwasi Kwarteng, will have potential consequences for the markets as he takes to the stage on a day headlined as “delivering a growing economy”. If he goes on after 4.30pm then the FTSE 100 will have closed, though trading on the pound continues 24 hours a day.
Tuesday: The health secretary, Thérèse Coffey, and the home secretary, Suella Braverman, will speak on a day headlined “delivering better public services”, while the foreign secretary, James Cleverly, will also set out foreign policy priorities.
Wednesday: Truss will make her prime ministerial conference debut some time between 10am and noon on a day headlined “getting Britain moving”.
"Getting Britain Moving" means it isnt moving and is just another 3 word slogan from a party who have been in power for 12 years
Still though I love the way Rishi Sunak is staying away while simultaneously speaking in code
Rishi Sunak, Truss’s vanquished leadership rival, is reportedly skipping the conference, with a source close to him telling the Sunday Times he wanted to give the Tory leader “all the space she needs to own the moment”
🤣
former director in the OBR on the radio there talking about the prognosis for the government in the context of the national balance sheet. The OBR is likely to formally confirm that there is an unfunded position running close to £50bn. So the government have three options to close this, all of which are toxic and will lose them the election. The structural reforms will not lead to growth in the next two years….they are necessary but a long term gain
First option: U-turn. This will leave Truss PM in name only. Her authority and credibility will be shot with the party, the markets and the public. Will make structural reforms harder to get through as all are controversial (eg migration, weakening of environmental standards, loosening of worker protections) and she will be in a weak position with a divided cabinet. IMO, is not going to happen
Second option: cut capital expenditure. Basically say goodbye to even the longer term growth prospects. It’s hard enough to see where growth is coming from already, let alone if government pulls back on capital spending
third option: cut welfare and other social programmes (or freeze, which is an effective cut). This goes against Boris Johnson’s promises and Truss has no mandate for this. Will be electorally disastrous
IMO it’ll be a combination of options 2 and 3, which will make the hard right part of the party happy, but will lead to an utter disaster in 2024.
Some opinions from a not overly politically knowledgeable person.
The Cameron Tory government never imagined the referendum on leaving the EU, would ever pass.
Banker's bonuses no longer should be affected by any government.
5% tax cut for people who pay quite a large amount compared to other countries is not disastrous. Considering people may only pay 20% on up to £50k
That the referendum passed is not the issue. It is how the result was hijacked to mean a No deal brexit was the desired outcome that is the problem.
No bankers bonuses shouldn't be an issue, if the other side is that any bank losses will not be taken on the shoulders of the taxpayers. Taxpayers footed the bill for the reckless trading and culture of the banks that help lead to such massive issues in 2008 and the regulation on bankers bonuses was part of the policy to avoid the same happing in the future. Thus the relaxation of the regulation, without any other measures to avoid a repeat is the issue.
5% tax cut that almost nobody was asking for, at a time when the government is having to pay out massive amounts due to Covid lockdowns and the increasing costs due to energy etc. It is claimed that given all these, already wealthy people, extra money will lead to extra investment. Yet nothing is said about the inflationary effect of such a big amount of additional money in the system. At the same time, railway workers, nurses etc are told that they cannot get increases in wages as this would lead to rampant inflation.
If they had the funds available to give tax cuts, why not give tax cuts at the bottom end, as every penny of tax saved would be spent since those at the lowest end are already struggling to cope?
It is absolutely disastrous when the imposition of the tax cuts directly leaves you with an unfunded spending programme and you've written a blank cheque to energy companies to keep the lights on this winter.
Did you miss what went on from Friday onwards?
China is preparing to instruct state owned banks to sell an as yet unknown amount of their dollar reserves and buy RMB.
The offshore yuan - which is essentially a better guide to what the currency is actually worth rather that the heavily controlled onshore yuan - has taken a pummeling.
Should soften the dollar somewhat relative to other countries. Euro and Japanese yen will probably perk up a bit as they are pretty undervalued at the moment. Particularly the yen.
What happens to sterling is hard to tell.
99% of this forum are not Labour (in a foreign country) I doubt many care that much but it is remarkable to see any well known established country completely implode without a war/famine/revolution situation.
The maneuvering of Britain from first world powerhouse to untouchable basket case is quite astounding both in the short period of time and the fact that it was cheered on (up to a very recent point) by the majority.
It's still a first world powerhouse.
Yes but it's all Labours fault.
The Times reporting that ‘sources within Westminster’ say that some Tory MPs are in talks with labour about how the budget can be voted down. Presumably some deal in which Tory MPs vote with labour to defeat the budget on the condition that labour don’t call for a vote of no confidence
Labour should call for the vote of no confidence first and fast.
But they won’t win it, so what’s the point? Trying to stop the budget seems to be the priority
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