It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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It's well-deserved criticism. I hate the Tories. The deflection with Labour is what I'm talking about.
I wouldn't call it a crush but I definitely would.
There is no perceived they are responsible.
Loving the new line of making all of this seem like an act of nature. Your slipping in of the idea that this isn't anyone's fault just an inevitable situation.
Do you think all the people here who are criticizing Truss are only doing it because they are Labour?
Do you think it is unjustified criticism ?
It doesn't matter what I think, though.
I think this may be the first time I have ever agreed with anything you have posted.
It's about keeping their fossil fuel friends on their side to keep the donations coming in.
No one is going to vote for fracking in their back garden, how will they get "local consent" for fracking to go ahead? A Russian type "referendum" maybe?
This thread would make you despair at the two-party politics that define so many countries.
Ultimately, whether real or perceived, Truss and Kwarteng will be held responsible for what's happening on the markets. I actually think there were some very sensible elements in the budget, but the markets reacted and whether we like it or not, that will mean those at the top will pay a political price.
Furthermore, I still believe the Tory's were in error to ditch Boris. Even with his flaws, Johnson still had a better chance against Starmer at the next election. Ditching him and going through this needless leadership contest, as well as all the consequences of the mini-budget, would have been averted. After all, Sunak would have still been chancellor.
Nobody can predict whether Johnson would have lost out to Starmer (he may very well have), but I'm confident he would have stood a greater chance against Starmer than Truss will have.
I'm of an age where I still remember the protests at the Wytch Farm oil field and the people of Dorset definitely did not want it there. Now people barely know it exists.
I used Lancashire as an example, because that is where the current wells are, but this is about being seen to bring jobs to an area that the Tories would love to keep hold of and not, as some people would have, some scheme to give a contract to a Tory donor, that is just more toxicity.
I never said it did, I'm speaking about Lancashire, you bought Lancashire into the conversation when you said
"meanwhile bringing jobs to Lancashire"
since when did Lancashire stretch from the Irish Sea to the North Sea?
Well if you want her to fuk you just move to the UK.
She is fuking practically everyone over there.
Let me dumb it down
The
People
Of
Lancashire
Don't
Want
Fracking!
Trust me, I Live here, I'm in Lancashire every single day, I talk to people in Lancashire every single day. There will be no "local consent" for fracking in any part of Lancashire.
the man was never in power, but he made the Labour party completely unelectable. They failed spectacularly at being the opposition.
Leaving out the SNP, Parliament as a whole failed the British people and the two main parties need to take the blame for that.
I don't support fracking, but this isn't about some Tory donor getting a plump contract, as people would have you believe. The Bowland Shale field goes right from the Irish Sea to the southern North Sea and would be seen as an effort to bring jobs to the area.
Lets face it, large parts of those areas would still be mining for coal if they had their way.
You can always count on boards to churn-up people that will defend absolute rank-stupidity, an economic and political death-cult spiral even as the grand narrative of their pet theories burns around them.
They're like those Japanese holdouts still living in the jungle stroking their rifle eating berries two decades after the war.
I was a huge Corbyn fan and even I moved on.
You are the only person still cares about Corbyn
The people of Lancashire don't want fracking though.
well for starter you posted an opinion piece and portrayed it as fact. it isn't a news article and has only one opinion, that of someone who was ousted from a fracking company 8 years ago. There is no counter argument, but it has been written in a way to make it look as if the government is doing this purely for self gain.
then you added a little bit of venom about donors for some reason. Donors to all parties get government contracts regularly. except in the case of fracking, it will be a license, not a contract so the they won't actually be getting paid, but no doubt words like "chums" will be bandied around ad infinitum
meanwhile bringing jobs to Lancashire
now where was that red wall again?
Please quote me where I said that Labour are perfect and Corbyn the saviour.
Deflection as usual. You are trying to blame Corbyn, the man was never in power and never looked likely to be in power. The tories have, in contrast, been in power for the last 12 years and yet the person you want to blame is Corbyn?
Still, at least you have accepted that everything is in chaos, hence the need to find somebody else to blame. Its a step along the way I suppose
You're going to have to point out where the "disinformation" and "toxicity" is in my post I'm afraid.
Are you suggesting the the guy running the company that actually drilled the fracking wells in the UK is lying about the practicalities of fracking in the UK?
And are you saying that there is absolutely no history of Tory donors winning oversized contracts to do things that are needed or wanted in the UK?
It's way of life and not intended to be logically coherent.
It's all articles of faith, dogma and no little contempt for fellow citizens. You're arguing with a pathology and not a good faith political movement that seeks to provide answers to problems.
sorry, you are correct. Labour are perfect and Corbyn our saviour.
Which is why I presume certain elements in Labour want him back.
Just saw a clip from question time where a woman had her mortgage offered from two weeks at 4.5% ago pulled and was told to reapply immediately as the new one would be minimum 10.4% and they are going to just keep going up...... how the **** anyone can look at that and still think the tories are in any way competent baffles me.
The reaction from the crowd says it all
Seriously? You want to blame Corbyn for the disaster. The man never was in power, and yet somehow you think he is to blame?
The Tory party, combined with the DUP that they give 1bn promise to to buy, had a majority in the HoC. It was the ERG and the other Tories that rejected the May deal, rejected it in record numbers.
Johnson then rode in promising that everything was going to be great and was given an 80 seat majority, Corbyn was kicked out of leadership of the labour party. Johnsons deal is so useless, so hated by the Tory party, that they have decided to threaten to break international law and the agreement itself to try to get out of it.
Corbyn didn't need to create chaos. The Brexit vote itself was nothing more than a play by Cameron to try to limit the chaos in the Tory party and cut off UKIP. Straight after the vote, the man that said that it was a choice between stability with him or chaos with Milliband, walked out of the job. The Tories opted for May, seeing her as the best person to lead the country, and party, through BRecit. Right from the start, despite May promising the hardest of Brexits, may within the Tory party, led by JRM and sniped from the sidelines by Johnson, did everything they could to derail any change May had of getting a deal that worked.
Brexit, and the Tories, and the cause of the the creators of, the chaos. Trying to blame the left, Corbyn etc is simply weak and shows you are not even trying to hold those responsible to account.
The Tory movement is a tapeworm that has migrated to the brain.
It's bent on destruction. It's decries the cultural and economic malaise it presided over and cheerlead since the 70s. And in its final form, blames the communities it destroyed.
When observing the smouldering wreck, their prescription is "more of the same". More deregulation, more tax cuts bunged to asset hoarders and useless f*ck Tory donors, more housing bubbles, more discipline of organised labour, more city-boy inside-trading f*ckery, more destruction of state-delivered services to be replaced by sweetheart contracts to doners and staffed by people on zero-hour contracts, more burning-down trading relationships with neighbours, more magic money economics.
Rory Stewart compared the pathology of the Conservative Party to that of hardline communists in the last decade of the Soviet Union. Everything was clearly f*cked, but the brains trust responsible just decided they weren't doing stupid hard enough, and just doubled-down until it collapsed.
It's resembling a mental illness more than it is a political proposition now.
Never should Ireland be more grateful for its independence from the UK and the grip of these lunatics (by which I mean the danger of being governed by Tories) than now.
Also as has been pointed out time and again the theoretical gas when extracted wont go straight into british homes, it has to be sold on international markets and then bought back by british energy companies and there wont be anywhere near enough of a supply to impact the price and cause a reduction in it.
Having been involved slightly with an attempted conventional gas extraction adventure in Poland, which shares some geological similarities with England at the depths the hydrocarbons show up, I'd say they're crazy to try this in England. Fracking works in areas of North America because of the geology and the topography that enables it to be economically feasible.
If they started today to frack gas economically in Lancashire (!), minimum 5 years imo before they are online, and that assumes there's enough gas there to be worthwhile.
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