It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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"obsessed with the UK" on a thread specifically about "the UK PM and their policies"? Go figure. There is a "A global recession is on the horizon" thread around here somewhere. The "storm" being discussed here was entirely self-inflicted, pointing to "country after country slipping in to recession" is about as relevant as Truss's attempt to blame Putin on various radio programmes today.
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Paschal is the kind of lad that still has his Confirmation money in prize bonds stored in a biscuit tin under his bed.
Generally though, he and the Department of Finance need to be given credit for their prudence over the past few years.
Crace, as caustic and on point as always.
You can’t take the UK economy in isolation.
well, you can if you wish, but it makes for a completely pointless discussion.
This is a brilliant line
"There’s always a job waiting for Truss in an automated call centre: a deathless loop that sucks the life out of you."
You're just deflecting, you can of course isolate the disastrous effects of this mini-budget.
Yes because they have been useless.
It isn’t deflecting in the slightest. The storm will arrive and always would arrive. All Kwarteng and Truss did was to make it potentially a lot worse than it should have been at this moment in time.
the big question is what can they do now to mitigate that mess.
It's over, dude.
We need a Labour government, now; not because a Labour government is actively desired, but because the Conservative Party need to find themselves. What they are providing is hollow, continuous non-government.
I could lie here and say how the Conservative Party are amazing, and how Liz Truss is doing well, but it would just be a lie. It's time for a shift in UK politics. It's time for Keir Starmer to prove his weight. Whether he can or cannot is another matter.
But the idea that the Conservatives can continue like this is for the birds. It's game over.
That's exactly what came to mind listening to the interviews.
She just kept going back to "dial 1 for Putin's awful war" "dial 2 for global economic problems"
Have you seen anyone here denying that this storm is coming? What is being discussed is Kwarteng and Truss making it a lot worse than it should have been. There was no need to add "potentially".
Then what the actual fuk are you on about when you accuse me of deflecting?
The UK needs political stability. A general election will not give that at the moment.
UK politics need to become boring and banal and lose the toxicity that it currently has.
There is no chance of stability with the least capable cabinet ever, with massive internal party divisions "backing" it.
The toxicity comes from the Tories being Tories. That won't go until they're gone.
I agree.
A GE, with Putin on the go in Ukraine, is not a good look.
But there's no way Truss can keep things going. At some point, whether sooner or later, Starmer will be in No. 10.
Because you were. Shrug.
Could you go back and read my earlier posts?
That will not happen with this cabinet. It’s got screw up after screw up written all over it. It’s a cabinet of right wing buddies who will not have the support of backbenchers. It’s a recipe for volatility until such time as there is an election. Plus Truss has no respect on the international stage whatsoever, a reputation made worse by the last few days.
this government couldn’t be stable, boring and banal even if it wanted to be.
Could you go back and read my earlier posts
Could you go back and show where?
If I recall, you're a member of the Tories and were cheering on Truss last week. Now you want her gone and Labour to take over.
Do you really not want the Tories in government or is it just that you want Lab to own the mess that the Tories have created across the UK with their recklessness over the last six years?
Nothing in your earlier posts has ever justified the last 12 years of the Tories destroying the UK for the benefit for their mates.
Excuses, deflection, apologism - there's loads of that to read. But I've already read it, I don't need to suffer it again.
Great input. Well done.
As I said, I think that there comes a point when you realise "your side" has over-reached.
That it's better for the other side to take over whilst you take stock, and re-adjust.
It's pretty obvious to me, at this stage, that it's irreversible - and that we must allow a Labour government to continue from here.
Don’t need to. Responding to your suggestion that this government can be banal and boring and remove the toxicity that has permeated the Tory party over the last decade. It’s an absurd suggestion
I've yet to follow up with the relatives, but the mortgage situation and threat to pensions should be enough for anyone to drop Tory support.
Twelve years of misgovernence had to catch up eventually
Most people in the UK I know are genuinely fearful and are pulling in all discretionary spending.
There's one guy who's a full-on Brexit supporter, BoJo apologist and frequent mocker of the left/'woke' on social media. He's gone very quiet.
Worth noting that Truss wasn't particularly popular in general opinion polling before she was elected. She was solely the choice of the right wing Tory OAPs.
She offered them more magical thinking. There's a busy market in the Tory movement for that sort of thing.
Blind optimism, articles of faith, dogma, a belief in national exceptionalism and the ability to defy gravity, a boundless belief in the traditional ruling class, and the conviction that the average Brit is a lazy indolent on the take - which is why the UK is in decline, not because they and their mates have spent the last 40 years looting the national wealth.
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