It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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Nothing in your earlier posts has ever justified the last 12 years of the Tories destroying the UK for the benefit for their mates.
Excuses, deflection, apologism - there's loads of that to read. But I've already read it, I don't need to suffer it again.
If I recall, you're a member of the Tories and were cheering on Truss last week. Now you want her gone and Labour to take over.
Do you really not want the Tories in government or is it just that you want Lab to own the mess that the Tories have created across the UK with their recklessness over the last six years?
Could you go back and show where?
Could you go back and read my earlier posts
That will not happen with this cabinet. It’s got screw up after screw up written all over it. It’s a cabinet of right wing buddies who will not have the support of backbenchers. It’s a recipe for volatility until such time as there is an election. Plus Truss has no respect on the international stage whatsoever, a reputation made worse by the last few days.
this government couldn’t be stable, boring and banal even if it wanted to be.
Could you go back and read my earlier posts?
Because you were. Shrug.
I agree.
A GE, with Putin on the go in Ukraine, is not a good look.
But there's no way Truss can keep things going. At some point, whether sooner or later, Starmer will be in No. 10.
There is no chance of stability with the least capable cabinet ever, with massive internal party divisions "backing" it.
The toxicity comes from the Tories being Tories. That won't go until they're gone.
The UK needs political stability. A general election will not give that at the moment.
UK politics need to become boring and banal and lose the toxicity that it currently has.
Then what the actual fuk are you on about when you accuse me of deflecting?
Have you seen anyone here denying that this storm is coming? What is being discussed is Kwarteng and Truss making it a lot worse than it should have been. There was no need to add "potentially".
That's exactly what came to mind listening to the interviews.
She just kept going back to "dial 1 for Putin's awful war" "dial 2 for global economic problems"
It's over, dude.
We need a Labour government, now; not because a Labour government is actively desired, but because the Conservative Party need to find themselves. What they are providing is hollow, continuous non-government.
I could lie here and say how the Conservative Party are amazing, and how Liz Truss is doing well, but it would just be a lie. It's time for a shift in UK politics. It's time for Keir Starmer to prove his weight. Whether he can or cannot is another matter.
But the idea that the Conservatives can continue like this is for the birds. It's game over.
It isn’t deflecting in the slightest. The storm will arrive and always would arrive. All Kwarteng and Truss did was to make it potentially a lot worse than it should have been at this moment in time.
the big question is what can they do now to mitigate that mess.
Yes because they have been useless.
You're just deflecting, you can of course isolate the disastrous effects of this mini-budget.
This is a brilliant line
"There’s always a job waiting for Truss in an automated call centre: a deathless loop that sucks the life out of you."
You can’t take the UK economy in isolation.
well, you can if you wish, but it makes for a completely pointless discussion.
Crace, as caustic and on point as always.
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Paschal is the kind of lad that still has his Confirmation money in prize bonds stored in a biscuit tin under his bed.
Generally though, he and the Department of Finance need to be given credit for their prudence over the past few years.
"obsessed with the UK" on a thread specifically about "the UK PM and their policies"? Go figure. There is a "A global recession is on the horizon" thread around here somewhere. The "storm" being discussed here was entirely self-inflicted, pointing to "country after country slipping in to recession" is about as relevant as Truss's attempt to blame Putin on various radio programmes today.
It's times like this where I am grateful for Paschal Donohoe.
I think Labour have a good chance of getting one of the largest majorities on record after this week.
It's before the fall out lands on people's door, talk now of rates going above 7%.
Truss makes Jeremy Corbyn look credible.
The You Gov poll today would have them well under 50 seats.
Hopefully it is the end if the Conservative Party.
Keir Starmer originally proposed to introduce proportional representation, but has recently said that he's suddenly against moving toward it.
So, the two-party system in the UK is not going to change anytime soon. Just like Labour were torn asunder after Gordon Brown, we'll see the same destruction of the Tory's (perhaps greater, actually) in the coming election.
But the same fate awaits the Labour party. It's politically inevitable that the system shifts toward the alternate party. The only things we can't predict are the factors that will influence that - whether they be domestic, international, or both.
Why exactly? The current government are doing a horrendous job. Why not have an election and let the people decide whether to continue with the Tories or let someone else give it a go?
Yes, the Tories got a whooping majority in 2019 but a lot has changed in that time. All the scandals, the cost of living crisis, the fallout from Brexit. There's more than enough to show that the Tories have done a terrible job and that they don't care one bit about the majority of the public; they're only interested in lining their pockets and those of their friends.
The previous PM (the one people voted for) stumbled from scandal to scandal. The current one cannot say with a straight face that she is fulfilling the public's wishes (Tory voters in 2019 were voting for a Johnson-led government, not a Truss one). Were Truss to present a manifesto of her policies to the entire voting public, not just the Tory membership, she would likely fail horribly.
The only people who don't need an election right now are the Tories. Frankly, I'd argue that the UK deserve to have a chance to vote on whether to continue with this incarnation of the Tories because the evidence so far is that they haven't a clue.
I thinking usually parties become more arrogant the longer they are in power and no better party at being arrogant than the Tories.
This is the latest scandal (but a fairly massive one!) but given their contempt for the public during the pandemic it was never going to take much for the public to turn on them.
They signal the end of Conservative Party rule for quite some time.
I don’t mean literally say nothing. Just do her job and try not to do anything stupid
and yeah, there is a massive storm brewing are you so obsessed with the UK that you’ve missed country after country slipping in to recession?
Again, your words defining "the only way forward". You acknowledge there's a storm to be weathered, yet, in your view the way forward for the UK is for the PM to say nothing and keep plodding on. In a time of crisis, would you have voted for a PM whose platform was, 'Vote for me and I'll say nothing." Is that REALLY what you want?
The bit about the Uk not needing a general election, that's precisely what it needs and the sooner the better.
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