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Iranian Women Protest and Burn Headscarves

donaghs

There seems to be a genuine uprising by women in Iran over the enforcement of headscarf/hijab rules on women. Sparked by the death of a 22 year women in the custody of the morality police. For allegedly wearing a headscarf in an “improper” way.

17 dead in Iran as protests grow following death of woman after morality police arrest (thejournal.ie)

NBC - Iran Protests Intensify As Women Burn Headscarves In Defiance Of Police - YouTube

Some reports saying the impact of this rippling beyond younger liberal people: Iran’s conservative women join backlash over enforcement of hijab rule | Financial Times (ft.com)

It shows how much we take for granted the freedoms we have. People in Ireland are free to choose whether or not wear such items.

Which bring us to Ireland and the Hijab. I think its odd that its embraced and promoted by supposedly "liberal" parts of society. This is very visible in coverage of International Hijab Day this year:

Women and girls in Ireland celebrate World Hijab Day (rte.ie)

World Hijab Day: ‘The hijab is a part of me, it’s my identity’ – The Irish Times

World Hijab Day event held at WIT to promote inclusion and break barriers | News | Waterford Institute of Technology

That week, Senator Eileen Flynn, in the Senate said Hijab Day "should be a national celebration within Irish society as well". I think she meant to say it should be a national holiday in Ireland ,but she was running through her speech very rapidly.

Contrary to some of those news stories, the Hijab is not actually required by the Islam, i.e. the Koran. Rather, that they should dress "modestly".

So I think the ideal situation is have tolerance for the hijab, if its a personal choice. Basically it should be compared with other patriachal religions which enforce rules on woman, e.g. conservative Catholic sects. If conservative Catholic women wish to veil their hair, and never wear pants - then that's their business. But we should not allow them to force others to do this, and we should certainly not celebrate it.

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Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681551#Comment_119681551

If they don't give a sh!t about what the UN says about enriching uranium, why would they give a sh!t about what the UN says about women's rights?

The Irish government completely ignored the criticism we got from the UN about women's rights for decades.

Relax brah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681789#Comment_119681789

You wouldn’t get Christian’s blowing themselves up either in the name of god

Relax brah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681796#Comment_119681796

The more press it gets the more pressure they come under - not wearing a tinfoil hat here but look at the Russia/Ukraine conflict. It’s been going on years, now the press then their eyes to it everyone is interested.

Similar with issues in iran, press should continue to push it

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681481#Comment_119681481

Indeed and yet in Ireland, the majority of the most loyal subjects are elderly women. Odd one.

hawley

This is more about Kurdish independence than women wearing a hijab. Iranian government has massively clamped down on Kurdish militants over the past week.

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681533#Comment_119681533

Islam is still only 500 years old

Really? And there was me thinking it began with Mohammed's journey from Mecca to Medina back in 622AD.

That said, Islam and Xtianity are very similar. The main difference is that with industrialisation in the 19th century European women began working outside the home - requiring a degree of independence, which was gradually leveraged to where we are now. As a result, we are (most thankfully) some way ahead of Islam today. Mind you fundamentalist Xtianity in the US (and NI) gives Islam a run for its money in many ways, although not so much in relation to women's rights!

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682707#Comment_119682707

Iran was a totally different place pre nut jobs. Women wore dresses and moved about freely. People forget some of these places were pretty liberal until the nut jobs took over. Iraq for all the issues was a bastion in that region.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681811#Comment_119681811

No, they just poison hundreds of men, women and children like Jim Jones, or rape them then burn them to death like David Koresh.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681816#Comment_119681816

The reason everybody is interested is because Russia invaded Ukraine.

FFS like 🙄

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058265336/iran

There's a thread already here : Iranian Women Protest and Burn Headscarves — boards.ie - Now Ye're Talkin'

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682905#Comment_119682905

I'd see a difference between tiny cults, and countries with millions of people, led by a "religious" government. The root of the problem is the same. Perhaps some religions (in general) mature more over time.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682909#Comment_119682909

Remind me, what countries did Jim Jones and Koresh run?

And you have the temerity to type FFS like you were making some sort of valid point 😂

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682707#Comment_119682707

Look up "quiverfull" and "purity ball" (just for starters) and get back to us.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683650#Comment_119683650

You're damn right the root of the problem is the same.

These guys weren't powerful enough to take over a country so they tried to create their own tiny "countries". It's not because they were morally superior in any way to the likes of the mullahs in Iran, or the Taliban - just lacking the support and firepower.

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119685286#Comment_119685286

Just looked them up, yet more tiny fringe groups within Christianity. So what's your point exactly?

Quite different from the fact that variations on headscarves/veils etc are the norm in Islam, currently. Or the approximately 40,000 people from about 80 different countries who flocked to join ISIS in Syria.

I'm not saying Islam is bad. Just that (in a very general sense) its in an angrier, more conservative phase right now than what's left of Christinity in the world. This could change over the decades, or century. Saudi oil money had a big role in rolling back the tide of modernity for many Sunni Muslims.

Iran is a different case, but clearly from the ongoing protests you can see the desire for reform from large numbers of people.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058265336/iran

Unfortunately there's very little that international pressure can do to halt this kind of thing, when it has widespread support amongst the Iranian people.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119685314#Comment_119685314

When you say "powerful" enough, I suppose you mean that they were only headbangers who managed to convince a small group of gullible people to form a cult as opposed to being the dominant culture across a large swathe of the planet.

Still good to see that you're commited to the analogy regardless of how obviosuly **** it is. Kudos.

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119685286#Comment_119685286

I've often heard that virginity is so highly prized among the fundamentalists in the Bible belt that premarital relations involve everything but penetrative sex.

If true, it makes an utter mockery of the whole idea; essentially trains young women (and their male counterparts) to engage in deception while respecting the letter of the law. Someone used to engaging in this type of deception in one area of their life will not find it difficult to transfer this type of thought process to other aspects of their lives.

Hotblack Desiato

Penetrative sex? Look up "god's loophole".

You're really very naive in the ways of Xtian fundies!

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119691042#Comment_119691042

What a phrase.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658810#Comment_119658810

No but groups like the CIA meddle in local issue to insure "their guy" is in charge which often leads to these kinds of nutbags getting power.

I'm just speaking in general not saying that's definitely the case in Iran currently.

Beasty

threads merged

The_Kew_Tour

Hate seeing this as it's a great country and even kept in touch with couple of people from my time there. Sadly I don't see much changing anytime soon and the evil will win out here.

Danzy

She was a Kurdish woman and alot of the Kurds are not as strict on Islam and adherence to it.

Yurt2

As predicted, the Archbishop of Tehran pins it on CIA men wearing stick-on moustaches and Fez hats, ably assisted by the Mossad and their Jewish mind ray-guns.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63118637

EOQRTL

Superb work by the BBC showing the depth and range of the protests against the Dictatorship:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/63132235

getoutadodge

"And how women were revered in pagan times, the religious must have seen women as a threat"

Lol...cue a bar of "this is the dawning of the age of aquarius"

The hippies havent gone away you know.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681481#Comment_119681481

The one that always surprises me is that women are often the gatekeepers and enforcers of those strict forms from those religions. The nuns and women in the community, were often the ones who abused other women because they didn't conform or obey religious customs. No different with Islam, where with ISIS, some of the biggest fanatics were women.

Religion has always used women as a tool to inflict more control over all it's followers (both sexes), through sex, and/or guilt. Women come off the worst from that, but it would never have lasted as long as it did without the heaps of women throughout the ages who sought to support such traditions.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119705459#Comment_119705459

No in the past Pagan societies had pretty much equal rights from rulers to priestess. They had the most equal societies. Men and women fought in wars. I'm not talking about Neo pagan nonsense that was formed in the UK under hippies wanting to be naked and ride.

getoutadodge

"No in the past Pagan societies had pretty much equal rights from rulers to priestess. They had the most equal societies. Men and women fought in wars. I'm not talking about Neo pagan nonsense that was formed in the UK under hippies wanting to be naked and ride."

So what constitutes "pagan"? Aztec, Viking, Pre Roman Celts, Parthians, Mongols, North American Indians, Buganda, Classical Athenian, Carthage ? I think you'll find in all those listed that women had a very low status on a par with livestock Hollywood is not history. The theory that way back in prehistory there was some golden age when women ruled the roost is as nonsensical as the noble savage concept. Life was short, violent and brutal and might made right. Notice how there's no forced conscription of women by Ukraine or Russia in their war. Reality bites.