I haven't time to go through it now and take the parts he wants out of it. I'm sure you knew what I meant though
You wanna make an argument here in favour of, or to tolerate Russian aggression? Then:-
You do the research. You present actual verifiable facts that back up your points.
Otherwise, get lost.
Without ending the world? How could they?
Iraq/Afghanistan, they haven't got a great track record at ending things quickly against far less competition
I'll give you a "like" purely for the effort it took to write that post.
Sure, but anyone can predict a swift victory.
Very different thing actually making it a reality.
The west thought they'd sort Iraq and Afghanistan out fairly quickly, then they toiled in the desert for 2 decades without that decisive victory. And the Taliban walked straight back into power.
All the human misery, for what exactly?
Arrogance is hubris. And the west do it as well as anyone else.
The argument was about the well documented far right problem in Ukraine not the illegal invasion by Russia
And “no one will fire you from your job” 😂 like that’s a perk!
If Russia was planning on using WMD [weapons mass destruction] they wound not say a thing about it. In much the same way they planned the Ukrainian invasion. Russia denied their plans and still insist its not an invasion.
It would be for Putin to end the world. western hardware and troops are capable enough of sending Putin's forces back across the border with conventional weapons.
This is a conventional regular war; Iraq and Afghanistan were irregular guerilla wars, apart from the brief period during which the war in Iraq was conventional, and which the US won quite handily.
Then the UN should cease to exist
Insurgencies are a different kettle of fish and they usually never end with victory for the occupying force.
They could end it with one well placed missile up Putin's bunghole and then quietly tell his successor how easy it was to do but they won't.
America need this war to keep themselves 'free' and rolling in the arms money.
The West is willing to fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian but they are not going to put their soldiers or population at risk.
A NATO war against Russia will not be fought with conventional weapons, I don't think that is up for debate, any serious military analyst will conclude that
If the security council was the UNs sole function I might agree. Or may be you mean the security Council should not exist?
Nate
Aviation Udate:
You don't see this every day:
An E8, RC-135 Rivet Joint, US Navy EP-3 and a Black Hawk sharing the same relative airspace...
Could was the word .
How's the Ukrainans are taking all our homes and Jobs coming along but we need to welcome russians
Oh dear
Your Iraq/Afghanistan comparison is apples and oranges. This is a conventional regular war; Iraq and Afghanistan were irregular guerilla wars, apart from the brief period during which the war in Iraq was conventional, and which the US won quite handily.
The quicker the war ends the less human misery there will be. The Russians can make it stop any time they want by leaving Ukraine.
It's not based on arrogance. The west has better equipment, better-trained soldiers, better motivated soldiers, more competent leaders, better logistics and supply chains, better IT. These are facts, and the Russian army has been proving them true since day one of this invasion.
What he meant is, "you'll have no job to go back too". Either you'll be dead or your employer will be closed down.
You obviously need to know the difference between conventional warfare and insurgency
In Iraq US and coalition took Iraq in 2 weeks and same in Afganistan sending Taliban fleeing the mountains to Pakistan
The Afghan army however,different story
The insurgency that followed is a total different war,just like Russias war in Chechnya,where russia lost the 1 chechen war and pulled out.
Where did i say we should welcome Russians?
I'll wait don't run away.
So Ukrainians Robbing homes from Irish people.....
It's been made clear by several poster, including me, that the level of Ukrainian losses is for the Ukrainians to decide. If the threat of Putin going nuclear is real, as you claim to believe, then the west would indeed be putting its soldiers and its populations at risk.
You know what lads,
I hate to say it, but I think next week could be a very scary week.
I think we'll see the worlds most dangerous game of chicken since Cuba.
Apparently, new recruits are being told they will receive two and a half weeks "training" before being sent to Ukraine. If true, it illustrates what an utter sham the Russian army is - General Mark Hertling was saying the other day that a soldier would need 6-8 months training before being ready for battle.
Russia absolutely does not want to engage directly with NATO. Despite all their propaganda and rhetoric about NATO threatening them, this war is entirely about Russian recovering what it sees as it's territory - it's a good old fashioned imperialist war to seize land & resources.
Taking on NATO with their conventional forces would lead to a massive military defeat. Taking on 'NATO' with nuclear weapons would lead to the destruction of much of Russia civilisation itself.
I never said they where but we'll deal with that in a minute.
Now have you got any evidence to back up your claim that i said we should be welcoming Russians?
Think hard.
In case you missed it,Putin have been threatening NATO with nuclear weapons since he invaded Ukraine.
And he also knows he will lose miserably in a conventional conflict with NATO,thats why he prefers nuclear blackmailing instead,like his cousin in North Korea
Well it's hardly a surprise that a full-on invasion would eclipse a domestic issue that affects most european countries.
The reason that I'm sceptical about your concern is that every shill for Russia seems obsessed with the issue as if it's more pressing than being invaded. Whatever about their nazi problem, like most european countries, that's a domestic issue for them to deal with and it's not exactly being made easy with an genocidal, occupying force in their country.
Im not so sure it is .
Apparently Biden has been quietly talking to Putin about what would happen if putin went to a nuclear,no red lines and very unambiguous what would happen exactly,
I think it's a case putin has no clue what would happen if he even gave an order let alone push a button
You had said the west could end it by putting their troops and hardware into the war which is in effect NATO declaring war on Russia, that puts it at serious risk of going Nuclear, something I don't think they are willing to chance.
Apparently 🤣 You heard this from who, some lad on Twitter?
Jesus Christ, it's like you go around making stuff up for the heck of it.
Also push a button 😀
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