How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425200/#Comment_121425200
I don't think there is a living person on this planet with access to the internet who isn't having some form of data collected from them and shared through Google services. I hate to break it to you, but this very site is currently using Google analytics. Just check the source.
Not for me it isn't as the javascript and cookies are blocked 👍️
Going to close this survey at about three pm today & put up the results here after. There are about fifty responses so far & seem to be spread across a good no. of grades. Here is the link if anyone else is interested in having their say: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScMJC7hezbb5esol5CSu0rL9Vg5WOZ5XGTBDVzyOaz2DwidLw/viewform?usp=sf_link
Thanks all for taking part, a reasonable good turnout of 67 responses. The results were as follows:
• Aggregate Yes - 59 votes / 88.1%
• Aggregate No - 8 votes / 11.9%
A clear enough majority to pass the ballot.
I'll paste in some of the results & some other things from digging into the data
Few points to note on it:
• There was a good variety of grades filling it out. At same time though feel like there was a higher representation from higher grades than lower grades like 40% of the participants were HEOs or APs. There was a smaller representation of EOs & COs at 31%.
• There seemed to be pretty uniform consensus across the grades for a yes, with it being 93%, 92%, 89% for APs, HEOs & EOs respectively
• There was still a desire for a yes but with a lower percentage for COs & AOs at 83% & 71% respectively.
Looking deeper into the reasoning for the Yes or Nos submitted
• Of those voting yes 49% did so because they felt it was the best offer they could get.
• The reasoning for the remaining yes' was basically split three ways between saying they were content with it, cited economic concerns or the backpay element being the reason for selecting yes.
• Of the eight no's submitted, 50% wanted a 9-11% increase, 37% wanted a 7-9% increase & one single survey participant wanted an 11% rise or to match inflation.
A lot more APs and HEOs because the EOs and COs are too busy to be posting on the Internet. The APs and HEOs have loads of time on their hands 😉
indubitably true tbf
That doesn't stop Google analytics from tracking you.
The ballot paper arrived in the post today.
I'm still in two minds.
In the end, I will probably vote yes, but I'm a bit disappointed with the offer.
Would anyone know what would happen in a situation if someone was to change grade/promoted in Oct/Nov with regards to the 3% backdated to Feb?
Would the 3% apply to their previous grade or is there some weird rule that they wouldn't be entitled to it at all with the change? Sorry for the stupid question!
It'll apply to both grades - the payscales themselves will change.
It may take a little longer to apply though, as extra calculations will need to be done.
The 3% would apply to their previous grade as that is what they were when they earned it
Thanks all. I may have to buy the payroll admin something if it proves to be a big headache for them.
I wouldn't like to be making those 3% calculations. Promotions, people off the payroll for certain periods, calculations on overtime that was worked and paid since February. It could be a big operation to apply the 3%.
It won't be for 90 percent of the people you'd be applying it to in fairness and not rocket science for the rest.
I'd suggest it's more of an age profile thing tbh. The younger folk and new entrants wouldn't be on here that much I'd say where the more senior 40 and 50 year olds would have 'grown up' with this site.
It would be calculated at the old grade to the point you changed
It'll probably ok for those paid by the PSSC but'll not everyone out there due the 3% will be on the PSSC. A large part of my own organisation isn't and while not rocket science it'll be work intensive for a while for the staff involved.
There really wont be that many in that boat though and sure if there wasn't work to do, there'd be no job?
as far as i recall theres a line by line report available as an output to show changes in pay which should make implementation of a 3% retrospective from a certain date a piece of piss
For the majority of people the payroll systems will take care of bulk of the changes.
Any payroll system which can't quickly and easily deal with such a change is quite simply not fit for purpose.
I noticed that the Travel and Subsistence and Mileage rates have gone up slightly. I never saw anything mentioned about this. Only noticed it when I was submitting a claim on shared services.
They went up on the 1st September.
so when will the results of the unions on acceptance on the latest deal come out. I ask as I have said I will keep relaying info on here about the sh1tstorm we are about to enter and like I said there will be bloodbath with SMEs this year and it has started. I cannot see the govenmment being able to stand over pay rises next year agreed this year.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0922/1324919-number-of-corporate-insolvencies-up-over-a-third/
Have the government reneged on pay deals before?
Well wasnt there pay cuts back after the last recession due to financial issues I can see the same happening again
Yes but that was during and after the unprecedented 2007-8 crisis. You'd do well to just ignore that poster.
So after the last recession and guess where we are heading as I say you can keep your head in the sand but its coming.
You can relay it as much as you want since the mods don’t really seem to care that you constantly derail the thread with phucking ‘facts’ straight out of your w@nk bank but that doesn’t mean there’s any credibility them.
As I say keep your head in the sand, the taxes will not be there next year for the public sector pay rises. I was just pointing out what was going to happen and the fact is it has started. I am not coming up with the facts greater minds than yours and mine are the ones telling it straight. I am just relaying them so you boyos dont miss them and when your pay rises cant be paid next year at least you cant say you were not warned.
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