How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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I'm on mobile and typing quickly, I mean that houses are out of reach to mid rank govt employees due to current housing prices. That is propaganda. I done the sums using published salary scales and average house prices.
If you have any figures that proves me wrong, let's see them.
Do you have figures on this Hotblack?
Not denying it or questioning you btw just took me a bit by surprise, AFAIK there are only approx 40,000 civil servants in Ireland and I would have thought that there were more than 20.000 in Dublin?
With the price rises in electricity and gas this is looking like a poorer deal almost every day. I'm on a higher PS salary (not civil service) and a big chunk of any rise this October will be wiped out before I get it due to my electricity bill going up. The rest will be eaten with diesel costs event with WFH 2-3 days a week (long commute). The backdated lump sum is going to persuade people to accept this deal, without it I think it would struggle to pass. The initial happiness in my colleagues seems to be diminishing.
Ignoring the increment I get next month and only considering the 3% not the 1%, this deal would give me an extra 75e (roughly) per month when implemented. The whole deal puts around an extra 150e in my pocket a month after tax by the end of the timeframe. It is not a good deal but we won't be getting a better deal. The backpay makes it palatable. I expect it to pass easily.
Will it even cover the rise in their electricity bill?
Some unions better at negotiating than others. 17% pay rise for private sector bin men.
In England. Where inflation is higher.
Can not everyone who does some form of WFH not apply for this through there taxes at the end of the year?
You can do it online per month
I was talking about the public sector as a whole there in terms of union votes
But even in just the civil service - hard to find exact figures quickly but I remember a union circular at the time of the McCreevy decentralisation clusterfcuk which said that slightly more than half of CS were already based outside the capital.
I know it's the Indo, and the figures are all very suspiciously round, but there is this:
AS MANY as 10,000 civil servants are to be relocated to 20 centres outside Dublin under a new Government decentralisation plan.
The dramatic move has been sparked by rising house prices, growing traffic congestion and the need for more balanced regional development. It will leave as few as 5,000 of the 30,000-strong civil service in the capital.
So 15,000 - half - were already outside Dublin at that stage
You need to consider not just the large processing sections like CGs in Limerick, or pensions in Letterkenny, but things all over the place like Intreo offices, Garda civilians, etc. which all add up.
Makes the awful deal the Unions think was a great deal look even more awful.
You're right, fuckin outrageous when you see the numbers.
The new deal is costing 1.6bn so 8% of the population are dipping their sticky, greedy paws into 25% of the surplus.
Leaving 75% of the surplus to be shared with the other 92% of the population in additional relief or services.
If there is people who die with the cold or hunger this winter, let's remember a lot of the contributors to this thread who believe their grab-all was not enough.
Have we had any actual intelligent posters debating against a pay rise? It just seems to be all nutters.
Hey SF, you are aware that the govt is the only employer in the country which gets over half of any pay increase straight back in tax, right?
For now
It would definitely get voted against outside Dublin and it wouldn’t be due to spite. The likelihood of a move like that would not be increased wages for Dublin workers but less money for non Dublin workers.
Thousands of teachers on top of scale are on 70k?
Thousands of IoT lecturers on top of scale are on 90k approx?
The Civil Service is a small part of the public service.
I work in public service, and work with hundreds of staff, where top of typical scale is 88k.
They also invaded Ukraine apparently. Putin is just a stooge for ICTU.
What’s the average salary there?
Everyone happy with the pay rise?
Jesus, it's mental the nonsense about PS pay alright.
Nurses need to be CNM2 and above to breach 50k, for example.
For a job which is primarily 12hour shift on a 24h rota *365.
My fist private role, the day I left college, was 47k for an 8hour shift at 24*365.
In the PS you need to be grade 8 to top out at 84k and a GM or director to breach 90. After 10 years at those grades.
Vast vast minority in those grades.
My own national IT dept has 1 GM, 2 LVL8. Everyone else is lvl7 (max 63k) or below. Lvl 5 would start at 35k, topping out at mid 40s.
Didn't get one unfortunately. Management said the input costs to the business have skyrocketed and potential customers are pulling back spending due to economic uncertainty and worry.
Bank of ireland reports economic confidence is at a 17 month low.
www.publicjobs.ie
tho, from what ive seen of your work ...... maybe dont bother
Are your guiillable enough to believe that?
Footage just landed from the management meeting
No honour in coattailing or leeching pal.
Civil service. I neither know nor care what teachers' pay scales are. I do know it take a VERY long time to get to the top of that scale though
Teaching is unlike any other public sector job. There are very very few promotion posts in teaching.
Might want to spend less time on here and concentrate on your job.
Private sector, we got a 10% rise two weeks ago and another 7% to be spread out over the next two years. Also two additional days paid annual leave.
I am however thinking of moving to another company for a better salary, and a slightly different area. But it would mean having to do a five day week, so holding off until they either agree to me only working the same number of days as I do now or I decide that the extra money and change is worth it.
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