How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Not having to buy lunches?
Do you think people working from home fast all day, or something?
If I'm not mistaken you posted this exact same nonsense in this thread previously. It's like a broken record.
Yes there are savings on commuting (though, for public transport users, the costs have come down so saving isn't that much) but the big and only getting bigger offset on that saving is having to heat a home all day in winter.
Another little nugget of where we are heading and for those thinking they are going to be getting 6% a year pay increases on the never never and those who continuously gave me sh1te for calling our upcoming recession. It will be here come winter or at latest by the end of Spring 2023 be interesting if the government have to renege on the commitments for pay increases come 2023.
So in effect our debt is now starting to get a sh1t load more expensive (7 times more than it was in February) but like I say keep the heads in the sands lads nothing to see here
This is actually spun very positively by the powers that be but when the price for new borrowing increases and by 7 fold its a sure fire signal that we are going into choppy water.
Another electricity price increase.. I think 6.5% is a $hit deal now. I'm voting against.
Tearing me up inside? Really? Funnily enough, I've had bigger issues on my mind over the past month. It's just that when you try, yet again, to play the 'most obnoxious boy in the class' role, remember the guy who wasn’t happy to have the best bike but insisted on telling absolutely everyone that he had the best bike, when you bang that drum yet again, I'll call it out for the height of crassness that it is.
Looks like you missed the point of much of those WFH discussions, perhaps not being able to see beyond the end of your nose, or perhaps the end of your pocket.
War is peace.
Ignorance is strength.
A pay rise that leaves workers worse off is a "victory".
Nothing confirmed, but a lot of discussion in the media around the one off measures - i.e. probably a few rounds of the Electricty Account Credit, a double payment of the Child Benefit Allowance and a few more measures. Then add in increases to the income tax bands which will benefit all workers.
I'm off work this week so not sure what the feeling is, from friends in PS everyone is a yes, 1 would like more but reckons as good as it will get. Checked emails but nothing yet from union.
Soon-ish, I got the email from Forsa today asking if my contact details were still the same, so they're gearing up to email everyone.
Just milling around in the office again and most people I meet regardless of grade are satisfied with the deal. That was about 9 or 10 people. 2 people were totally opposed to it but I thought they would be.
Forsa have recommended the deal, have any other unions yet? https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0901/1320049-forsa-pay-latest/
The Unions are going on about needing cost of living measures in the budget as well as the pay increases. Anyone any clue what the cost of living measures will be? Were they part of the discussions, or are the unions just guessing/hoping?
Show me one of those companies where as an employer they are 240Billion in debt and come back to me
Not compared to last year, or the previous years. There's a reason Buliding Momentum has a clause for renegotiation due to inflation, because everyone recognises it recedes purchasing power.
You are correct that the current pay deal increases my purchasing power compared to where it is now but that still does not make it a good deal in my personal opinion. The current strong enomic position of the government just furthe and seeing what else is happening in the economy simply confirm that for me.
Again when factoring all that in I just cant undertand why 3.5% increase this year and next year is so great.
gusser, come on.
inflation occurs on an ongoing basis, not just for the four month that a new multi-year pay deal is being discussed and finalised.
a union that tracks inflation for the periods covered by those multi year pay deals and asks for it to be matched is not "unrealistic" it is doing the bare minimum for the people it represents.
nobody is trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes here by pointing the above out, and anyone is free to think a deal is positive or not.
but the govt will *always* tell you that they cant afford to ensure public sector wages are worth the same in your pocket as they were ten years ago, for the same grade/work.
a union should aspire to ensuring that this is the *least* that happens.
and they shouldnt be seen as the unreasonable parties for attempting to do so.
its genuinely strange to me that people want to get defensive or possessive about this deal being the best we should even hope for without starting into how we are either desperate to strike or are some sort of clichéd unionista heads - im far from it!
Please stop saying phucking. It makes you look like an utter moron.
Ask your employer for a raise. We asked ours and got one. Not a substantial one but its something.
When you get the pay rise your purchasing power will improve from where it is now. No?
I'd recognise thet during a period of deflation our purchasing power. At the end ofnthe day purchasing power is all I care about. If in 2023 I am purchasing less goods and services than I did in 2022 that's a problem for me and not one I am ever going to be happy to accept.
Because there is no argument for your attitude
Just so you know as a common courtesy, there's absolutely no way am I wasting my energy engaging with you in any of this. 🙂
no sign of magic deflation any time soon - electric ireland to up their bills 25% starting next month with more energy rises almost gauranteed
somewhat muted favourable response to latest public sector proposals but at this stage everyone will need support with their home heating, transport & electricity bills to keep the show on the road this winter ..
Something to this effect happened between 2014 and 2021 Martin over 10% pay rises per person in the public sector and inflation was running at 3% not one union or government minister or advisor on looking for pay cuts. Some in the sector could get 100% pay rises and still not be phucking happy.
Just a question if they was deflation (think thats the word) and had the same wage would you be coming on here and saying we got a pay rise. Its not a pay cut as at the moment I am getting X if the deal is accepted I am getting X +. Would I have like more hell ya who would not. We would not get it and even if we striked we would have lost more money and the deal we would get then would be worse for it
Towards 2016 was 10.5% over 20 months (01jan07 -01sept08) and inflation wasnt over 9% then
Are you for real this all has to be paid for. The magic money tree of the ECB money printer has been chopped down. I think you lot did very well. These pay rises are taking almost 50% of the fiscal space which it will be when pensions to current retirees are factored in and readjusted. So in effect the government (mainly because it goes into their back pocket too) will be given 13% of the population 50% of what is available, how fair is that? Are we not all seeing inflation? Is it just the public sector seeing it?
So what about the rest of us , is it phuck them is it, are those in the private sector going to do a Oliver Twist on it "please sir can I have some more". Wait tiill more and more SMEs see their power bills like the coffee shop in Athlone nearly 10k for 2 months. There is going to be an absolute sh1tmare this winter. You were all lucky to get what you got the conditions to have a 5.5Billion surplus will not exist come the next budget. Strike away as the general public will not be tolerating any sh1te from unions when they get their increased energy bills and increased food bills over the xmas and have to get through xmas as well and the majority in the private sector are not getting any pay rises I am sure they will tell you where to phucking go . If you go on strike the government should leave you out there for as long as possible and save on your wage.
At some stage you and others like you have to look at the duality that is going on here. With reports saying the young people in this country will be paying 2k more a year just to get by and the retiring age continues to go up and we should be paying more in tax all from the public sector advisors and you want 6% a year pay rise will you go and smell what your shoveling.
The €5.5 billion surplus is mostly linked to corporate tax receipts. This could evaporate overnight so should be thought of as a windfall. It cant be used to budget for future expenditure.
6% each year should have been the minimum. I mean the government have had €5.5bn surplus at the end of the July. The question i have is, given how well the government finances are how can you genuinely think the offer is a good deal? I would strike, you have to be willing to strike if you genuinely want a fair deal. Very difficult to properly negotiate if you are going to be too afraid to strike.
Again there's significant long term benefits strikers bring to future negotiations that are not properly valued.
Practice what you preach.
These are the pertinent questions that haven't been answered by those opposed.
I'm open to convincing but I haven't heard any alternative strategy propose with an assessment of the likelihood of success and the risk associated with it.
Salaries needs to increase to a level where 3.5 of annual salary will buy a house for a mid level PS employee or at lease it should be enough to rent a house where one works..
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