How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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You didn't come in to comment on the topic of the thread, you came in to nod along with the crowd and take a few cheap shots at me from the back of the room.
Pretty much like you're doing again now.
And as I said then, I hope thats not the extent of your contributions at managment meetings.
And as also said then, if you don't like my posts, use the ignore function.
Well you are not making sense. And you aren ot a higher grade than me. I see from the tone of some of your responses on the other Civil Service threads your attitude to people who have a different view to yours is as toxic as it is here.
I've no doubt your abrasive attitude has lead to you being stuck in a basement looking after a jar of bees so others can have some peace
Is there anyone else like to join this pile on now, just to get it out of their system?
Amazing those who crawl out of the wood work to take pot shots or like ****-posts, but never actually contributed anything to the thread themselves.
From talking to colleagues and my team today they all seem to be happy enough with the deal. The backdated lump sum is also popular. This with a blended working policy being finalised and the working day reduced means it has been a good year so far.
I think most peoples expectations we 8% so we aren't far off that.
I'd say the vote will fly through.
Also remember it's not for 2 years or anywhere near it. It's more like 16 months and we will hopefully get another bump in 2024.
Since Jan 2021, CPI inflation has been 12%.
This deal means 6% pay rises during 2021 and 2022.
That's not great.
Oct 2021 = 1%
Feb 2022 = 1%, sectoral bargaining
Oct 2022 = 1%
3% backdated to Feb 2022
Down to payroll not being able to implement it.
You'll often notice they miss increments as well.
It's better than the initial offer and significantly better than a strike and no offer for another 6 months in a worsening economy.
Everyone in my office is for it.
It's a big loss of earnings. And more to come next year.
Does that mean they'll get it in October with the 3% and 1%, totalling 5%?
Due it, whether or not it'll be done is a different matter.
Payroll need to be notified by your department HR to implement increments.
Blame your HR for not doing their jobs
As regards the increase. DPER need to issue the circular on time for them to be implemented on time.
Your accusations are totally misplaced.
Not quite as simple as that.
PAYE for 2021 is less than 2020, plus it is not a straight up 6%, it is compounded. Some, not all I accept, will also have gotten one if not two increments.
A straight up rise matching inflation was never realistic.
What?? Thats insane.
Was the 1% increase in February supposed to be across the board for all public servants?
Voting this down would be insanity this is a guaranteed pay increase which covers the next 16 months or so it was never going to match inflation. Those who are advocating voting it down have no alternative.
The agreement allowed for the equivalent of a 1% increase in annualised basic salaries to be used as a Sectoral Bargaining Fund or a general pay round increase of 1%. It was down to the individual unions to decide which way to use it.
Some used it to focus on awarding pay rises to lower paid / newer entrants, others just gave it as the 1% across the board. The decision what way to use the funds was left to the unions.
Those looking for strike action are few and far between. Apart from a poster on here i havent spoken to anyone on the ground interested in strikes.
This is a good deal. Make no mistake about it.
Id assume the backdated payment swung it for the unions at the negotiating table.
As ive said this and the wfh and shorter day is some win. In my 18 years i dont remember anything like it. Local management like myself will decide when my team are in. Ive already told them they can WFH as much as they want as long as the job gets done. The cost of living will come down. Hopefully we avoid a devastating dowturn. The Civil Service is starting to be an attractive place for a career again.
It's a poor deal but I've no doubt it will be accepted. One of the downsides of working in a area which attracts people who are generally fairly meek characters is that you end up having to go along with stuff like this.
To be honest it is a very attractive deal if you are also offering work from home and get a shorter working week. I'm not a civil servant, but in the PS, however not a chance I'll be allowed WFH. I did WFH during the pandemic and the fuel savings were very significant. Overall I see this deal going through, particularly as no one union will have a veto to stop it if their members reject.
I don't think salary is the issue with attracting entrants. I think this kind of toxic attitude that yourself and another poster have toward their co-workers is a lot of the problem.
Have any of the unions made any recommendations yet?
There'll be fuel savings from not working from home for everyone this winter, with the exception of those who drive a private car to work.
I've a lot of time for my colleagues and get on well with them. What I said is still very acccurate though.
Should be 10% minimum. Don't take it. People have all the power now as this government is on its last legs, they won't fight the workers.
But why not give the 1% to everyone if its there for everyone? I didn't hear any mention of it among colleagues in the HSE in February.
love to see this rejected, but by the looks of it......
No alternative? Strike? If you're an average person your standard of living has been on the decline for some time. The provision of basic services, nowhere to live, decreasing disposable income, impaired buying power, the list is endless. It's societal too. Everything is trending towards further disenfranchisement for the average person. The people who legislate for these things obviously don't give a shite because they never tackle important issues to the benefit of the average person. And they are very happy that you so readily accept privation, they'll force that on you until disparities eventually hit you in the face. So I say stand up and fight for it. Is that controversial or insane?
What's your plan for when recession comes and the Government impose pay freezes. Stay quiet and be thankful that you still have a job? They are chipping away at us. Wake up.
The deal is;
3% from Feb 2022
2% from March 2023
1.5%(or €750) from Oct 2023.
This means that we lose the % increase that was already due in Oct 2022.
Still a good deal though and I will be voting for it and literally sailing into the sunset in mid Nov 2022.
Happy days😀
1% in oct is still going ahead
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