How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425200/#Comment_121425200
The agreement.
https://www.forsa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Review-of-Building-Momentum-Proposal-ICTU.pdf
The agreement isn't too bad. 3% backdated is nice and the flat rate increases for the lower paid are welcome.
The backdated part is what will swing it. Money in the hand is hard to turn down.
Fliball what are your thoughts?
Correct me if I am wrong here though, but the 3% backdated is really an additional 2% on top of the 1% we already have received so it will be a back payment/increase of 2% from February to now?
I had worked it out very easily based on what we thought the plan would be initially, with a payment in Oct this year and another next, but it is a bit more complicated now that we can see the actual plan.
I’m going to vote in favour because of: the backdating of this year, the flat rate for the low-paid in October 2023, and the short duration of the agreement. We revisit things in December 2023.
I'll be voting to accept. As others have said, the backdated 3% is a nice sweetener. The alternative probably means getting through the winter without any deal, and that's just not an option for myself anyway.
Does that mean a lump sum?
twill do i suppose
less deductions of course, which no doubt youd be quick to acknowledge
3% Feb 2022. Plus 1% October 2022.
Not to be sneezed at.
He's gone picking apples!
The 3% backdated is on top of the 1% already received in February under the building momentum agreement, so it will be a back payment of 3% back to February 2022. Presumably paid in October, with the 1% increase we'll also get then. So 4% of an increase in total in October 2022.
Yeah, paid in October 2022 by the looks of it.
And a tax cut or band widening in the budget.
Well done. Public sector got a great deal for themselves.
I'm over the moon for ye. Lol
I joined in 1987.
And really, I'm surprised you're happy to accept such an offer considering your concerns with rising energy bills.
Maybe you should take your own advice.
Fair enough. Glad to be wrong there. 3% backdated to Feb is fantastic.
A much better deal overall than I expected. Fair play to the Unions.
It's a fair deal IMO and both sides can be reasonably happy with the outcome, common sense seems to have prevailed on both sides and I hope this is the end of these 3 and 4 year deals that make no sense when we consider how volatile economies are. Negotiate every 18 months max, I actually see no reason why it cant be done every 12 months when all other budgets are done.
ah thanks man ❤️
It won't be an additional weeks pay. It'll be in the region of 2/3rds or so. But it certainly seems to have worked to swing a lot of people in favour, even those who were initially disappointed with the percentages offered.
It depends where you are working I suppose, it has a knock on impact on allowances and premium payments. It will work out over 2/3rds of a basic wage payment for many.
The government negotiators must have been made of marshmallow. They folded like an accordion.
On another note this pay deal is an admission by government that inflation is here to stay.
Please spend your good fortune locally.
There is a lot to be said for union representation collectively negotiating rather than relying on one's own merit or the kindness of an employer.
But today could be the day the boss comes into the canteen and announces " Pay rises for all. Skills, performance and productivity be damned"
Il cross my fingers and toes.
That's why I am accepting it.
Very strange you're complaining about conditions given how much better your conditions are than most of the PS.
You've manage to keep all you fantastic conditions as they were removed from the rest of us.
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No. The 3% backdated is on top of the 1% already received in February under the building momentum agreement, so it will be a back payment of 3% back to February 2022. Presumably paid in October, with the 1% increase we'll also get then. So 4% of an increase in total in October 2022.
3% backdated to February, which will probably be paid out sometime in December by the time they get around to calculating it, so in a lot of cases will be clawed back at 40% in tax as it will hit people at the end of the year and / or push quite a few into the higher bracket.
Yes, such a fantastic deal. Don't spend it all in one shop.
Nobody would begrudge the public sector this rise, it should be celebrated & accepted.
At the very least it should gaurantee some PS harmony in the future
The WRC proposal states it's in addition to the existing agreement.
somewhat agree with this except it takes them 9 months to agree a deal
It’s not a terrible offer, but it really couldn’t be any less with the current cost of living issues and the inflation rate.
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