How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Well I mean just to use the actual topic of this thread as an example of your basic lack of knowledge on how an economy works;
So you have quite rightly pointed out that the private sector are facing massive challenges as the cost of running businesses are increasing at an unprecedented rate, so one of your solutions is to reduce/eliminate the spending power of 13.5% of the country's workforce, you know the private sectors customers??
Do you see how stupid that is or am I wasting my time here?
You are wasting your time at this point.
So you want 13.5% to be able to chase inflation. There are posts I put up that show 1.2 million private sector employees will not be getting a pay rise this year. So that is an even larger % of the customer base that will not get a payrise so they are phucked anyways and the pay rises for this 13.5% still have to be paid for by the tax payer. How will this be paid more taxes, more borrowing or cuts to other spend??. Your selecting a narrative there and not looking at the over all picture at all and absolutely no way to tell if giving the payrises will further fuel inflation or not. You only need to look at how consumer sentiment which is a monthly snapshot of how confident Ireland's customers are with regards to spending and this has dropped month on month (with a slight increase in June - possible due to the good weather) since February by about 30 points. Also when reading this metric, a score of 100 is neutral with regards to confidence in spending, in August we are at 53.4 the lowest since Covid began.
https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/consumer-confidence
Can you get me one in your department?
What do you do? I want to join the gravy train
Ah the private sector ethos shining through, expecting favours to be done, rather than going through a fair, open recruitment process.
Oh god , is that how you employ in the private sector? Thats a really pathetic approach.
Maybe you are right.
I mean look at the productivity and top level public services we have to show for it. And at a bargain price too.
Our public services are the envy of Europe
I wonder if this could have anything to do with anything?
Thanks for the reminder, that’s a good point.
There's 1 million on public hospital waiting lists.
Where is that mentioned in your article?
How many paid sick days are ye entitled now?
92 calendar days (3 months) on full pay, followed by
91 calendar days (3 months) on half pay
Private sector legally entitled paid sick days: 0
And ye got a pay rise today. None will ever get fired.
You guys have it handy . No grounds to complain
Dunno. Never use them.
My turn for questions: Do you think maybe, if the government were really ambitious, we could raise public spending to Bulgarian levels? I know it would be a stretch. But clearly, based on your complaints, something must be done.
Maybe you should ask the people who responded to the research giving their views that the Irish public service ranks well up with the best in Europe?
Id imagine with the govt saying they will increase the 5 percent to 6 percent really means they will accept the unions demands of closer to 8 percent. They might meet in the middle at 7 percent. So with the 1 percent due in October we will be seeing 8/9 percent over this year and next year. Not too bad and deserved.
I think the Union will also push for 5 percent up front.
Id be happy enough with that also. Along with the working day being brought back to 7 hours its a win. More annual leave and a full restoration of flexi leave is also a must.
This evening will give us a better picture of what we are going to get.
I have worked in both the private and public sectors.
My base salary was much higher in the private sector >30%.
I was paid a nice annual bonus(20-30% of base) by my employer while working in the private sector.
Additionally, I received an annual salary increment which was based on my performance but, at a minimum, was aligned with inflation.
My remuneration was much lower in the public sector <30%.
I did not get an annual bonus while working in the public sector.
I did get an annual increment each year.
The work/life balance was better in the public sector.
Overall, I feel the public sector workforce deserve a substantial pay-rise. I have friends working in the private sector, they will receive their annual bonus and increments this year as normal and so they should as they work hard for it.
Irish inflation could top 13% in coming months, driven by surge in energy prices — Davy
last time we were told wait .. then ah sure it is only 9% inflation.. who knows what the real rate of inflation is at this stage with shops literally making up prices .. many every day items are now up 27-40% .. energy companies making bumper profits.. time for ordinary workers to get a slice of the pie..
I love Kevin's glasses frames. Seems appropriate. 😂
You have repeatedly used this term 'chasing inflation' can you explain to us less informed what exactly this means, why its a bad thing and what the alternative approach is?
RTE news : 'Difficult' public sector pay talks conclude
http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0830/1319529-pay-talks/
'Difficult' public sector pay talks conclude
'I understand public sector unions have been offered pay rises totalling 6.5% by the end of 2023 - slightly higher than what had been signalled when talks were resuming yesterday'. Gavan Reily - VirginMediaNews
I doubt that that figure is what they (apparently) agreed. Union heads would have a tough time selling that.
Thats shite over 2 years. If it was 6.5 now people would probably accept it.
So if this is rejected, does it go through anyway, only without commitments to not strike?
6.5% is not enough. I'll be voting to strike
That figure can’t be right surely. Wasn’t it 7% over two years they walked away from last time although that took into account last years 1% also.
Last talks the government offer was 5% over two years on top of existing agreement.
Details will be published later this morning.
Will be interesting to see the outcome if the rumours are true.
They should have rejected that out of hand. As a reasonably new entrant these talks were a big factor in whether I could afford to stay in the role if I'm unable to secure a promotion. That deal won't be enough for anyone on the lower scales to get by never mind live a decent life and new entrants won't join up at the current rates. I hope it's rejected.
That would be on top of the 1% due in October and 1% received in February. They're already agreed and aren't part of the current negotiations.
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