How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Congrats, genuinely happy for you.
I'd never wish a pay cut on a fellow worker.
Please explain what “productivity improvement” means for a guard, a nurse, a doctor, a teacher, a lecturer, a researcher, a librarian.
Is it Monday they’re going back to WRC? Are Fórsa still going to ballot on 1st?
Not too sure but they are getting people ready for a ballot one way or another pretty soon. I say they will have a hard time selling a ballot on strike
Gee, we're so privileged to have a private sector that bankrupts the country with dodgy property deals and then cleans up some of their own crap years afterwards, after putting the country through a few years of recession, depression, emigration and more. That's so much to the Lords of the Manor.
Yep. It could have gone either way. No-one knew what the future held, what else could go wrong. How big the debts could be.
And you lay down, rolled over taking it all. Unable to stand up on your own two feet, you were at the mercy of the performance of the private sector, hoping and praying. Had tax receipts not improved, you'd be taking more pain like subservient puppies.
Does this kind of macho goading BS work for you as a communication tactic in your private sector life?
I thought we left all this nonsense behind after watching Wolf of Wall St.
It’ll be interesting to see what the offer is..
Interesting, that article refers (correctly) to the 340,000 public servants in Ireland, yet the great fliball, who like literally knows everything about numbers and stuff, repeatedly throws about a figure of 400,000....makes you think 🤔
Oh don't worry, if the **** ever hits the fan again like 2008, they'll be on the front page of the local rag with the poor me face blaming the public sector worker for all their problems.
Is there a full moon tonight?
It would be more so aimed at those in offices and cubicles. People who just punch in the hours without being particularly productive and with minimal effort. Part of the furniture types.
The same people who hang on to the coattails of people doing a completely different role
It's shameful
Still a better contribution than the 3 stooges.
With the way this thread has gone it's not even that off topic. 🙄
Hopefully when the talks resume next week (?) it will focus discussion back on the key issue.
Things do seem to be escalating though, even in the past couple of weeks with energy prices etc. so the govt may be keen to tie this off before it gets worse and give a decent offer
It looks like the Government will make a straight up offer immediately upon resumption of the talks, so we should know tomorrow. It could all be done and dusted relatively quickly.
There are loads of jobs in the public sector that could easily be eliminated but that are there because people like you, amplified by the Indo, etc., demanded them. I'm referring to all the public-sector staff whose entire job is devoted to auditing in various ways those who do the actual work. These are probably the paper-pushers you have in mind. You think that finding out who is putting in "minimal effort" and firing them (were that possible) represents a savings. It doesn't, because you have to pay for an entire, expensive, auditing workforce just to accomplish that task. That's what's been going on at the HSE and in university administration. You end up with these top-heavy organisations with too many chiefs (proportionally) than indians. It's a bigger waste of money than the problem it's supposed to remedy.
Maybe if people didn't come in and take the piss on the tax payers dime we would all be better off and wouldn't need the top heavy staff you mentioned?
Sounds like we both agree. So you can understand why some people might grumble these piss takers getting yet another pay rise on the coattails of the actual working public sector staff
The wasters, buffers at all level getting the same reward as those who do the work. This doesn't happen in the real world.
Now you might start to see
We don't agree. Contrary to what you think, there are "piss-takers" in every workplace. And plenty of them get bonuses and pay rises. There is no evidence other than in the imagination of the public that the public sector has more of them than the private sector.
Lol no they don't.
The boss doesn't arrive in some day and go "pay rises for all!"
This is exactly what happens in the public sector. It's a terrible system.
It rewards laziness as those who do sweet f all are treated the same as the workers.
And you see glimpses of it here. " well the nurses worked though a pandemic and the guards getting attacked during their duty- pay the public sector more says the lad or lady working bare minimum hours at home in theor pyjamas. Coattailing it's called.
Some insight ahead of the resumption of talks tomorrow.
What jobs are you referring to here? The only auditors I encounter are the C&AG annual financial audit, same as any business would have.
Anyone involved in QA, Performance management. These often involve extremely-costly outside consultants. You think this sort of thing runs itself?:
New round of energy hikes expected:
35% increase in the price of electricity and 39% increase in gas from 1st October.
They better be coming to the table offering 10% from 1st October, straight off the top, otherwise I'll be voting against.
Enough is enough.
I'm fairly familiar with some aspects of that programme. There are no audit functions involved, no inspections, no QA, no performance management, no extremely costly outside consultants.
Your say-so doesn’t make it a fact.
Performance management in the HSE: https://healthservice.hse.ie/staff/procedures-guidelines/performance-achievement/
Performance management at UCD: https://www.ucd.ie/peopledevelopment/p4g/
This is the most ridiculous take ive ever heard. Public sector auditing save a fortune. They literally carry out value for money audit. You really think public money spent by Aps and Pos shouldnt be tracked. Hahahaha
I don't understand this attitude. I don't think there's a chance of 10% straight up. I still think it will be 5% this year and 5% next year.
The government will say energy prices are fueled by the war, are temporary (for 1? 2? years) and that other measures in the budget will compensate for that. It's a fair position to take.
Anything around 10% over two years is something i will vote yes for.
Is it? How much of an organisation like the HSE or UCD is made up of “bullshit jobs” and how much is the people actually delivering the service? I know that the figures for most of our universities are shocking.
And it will probably be accepted, because people like you haven't got the cojones to actually put up a real fight for what is right.
I don't agree that it is right. I agree wages should match inflation but the current situation isn't normal.
Also, how don't i have the "cojones"? I can afford this winter with or without any pay increase. I'm very lucky but i am not going to go on strike on principle when I don't think getting a better deal is realistic.
If the union recommends i accept the deal, i will. If they recommend i strike, I'll vote to strike. They are the experts and know if getting more is realistic or not.
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