How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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I'm surprised to find that I agree with @fliball123 here:
10% pay increase now and if deflation kicks in then a commensurate reduction.
Of course, the total combined deflation, in the entire history of the state, is only about -7%. So the odds of holding that pay increase would be pretty good.
Maybe, like @salonfire suggested, tying pay to inflation would make sense.
Weird the two anti-pay increase commentors are, inadvertantly, now in favour of a full pay increase to match inflation!
No, I'm perfectly sane.
If the additional perks were offered as suggested in your post, I would settle for 29% as a gesture of goodwill.
If we stopped dealing with all the murdering dictators, industry would come to a grinding halt.
Unfortunate, but true.
Regards. Billy Big Balls
30% over 3 years is the sensible approach.
Billy Big Balls over here. Tell us Billy, what do you suggest companies that rely on gas inputs such as fertiliser manufacturing, energy companies, smelting, etc get additional, cheaper gas supplies from?
Are you willing to deal directly with Putin the Murderer?
So come on then. Let's hear your solution to the shortage of fossil fuel?
You're all mouth so you must have plenty of ideas.
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I'd tend to agree. USC should be scrapped and PS salaries should be increased by a minimum of percent.
30% are you off your phucking rocker ? Maybe we can switch in Gold dust for your showers and give you a daily add on of champaine and caviar , sure while we are at it Mercs all around for the 400k Public sector employees..You lads should be doing the next L'oriel add, because your worth it
We should be getting at least a 30% rise to compensate for inflation which will continue to rise because greedy private sector companies keep raising prices because of "covid" and "the war",
They'll be blaming monkeypox next.
Shower of greedy private sector baxtards.
And how do you suggest the shifting in demographics be paid for? Cut the ASC then, but also cut the benefits paid out or increase the mandatory retirement age. You can't have it both ways.
Just another example of our babied and pampered govt employees seeking to be shielded from external circumstance.
Not a chance your paying a contribution to a defined benefit, how about they cut the USC ye know the temporary tax for everyone first before any pay rises in the PS
A smart move would be to reduce significantly or eliminate the last cut from the last recession still hanging over us - the dreaded ASC. This would make a substantial difference to take home salaries.
Yeah we pay over 51% of our money earned at a very low rate in this country. So yeah over taxing.
Or if you want to do a days summery and you tell me if we are not over taxed and this is an average day nothing too fancy no meals or heading off on the lash.
You get woke up by your alarm clock - VAT, Standing charges, PSO and Carbon tax on electricity, VAT on the alarm clock when bought, VAT on the bed, pillows, matrass, sheets, duvet that you have woke up on.
You go into the bathroom for the 3S's - VAT on razors, shaving foam, soap, shampoo, body wash, deodorant, after shave and toilet paper and the charges related to heating the water using the electricity as outlined above.
I go down have a cup of coffee and toast - Electricity related charges for using the kettle and toaster, VAT on buying kettle and Toaster, VAT on Coffee.
I leave the house - Stamp duty, VAT on solicitor fees when buying the house, Property tax, Tax on waste disposal, VAT on home & life insurance for the property.
I get into the car and drive to work - VAT and carbon tax on petrol, VAT on car insurance, Motor tax, VAT on Motor Tax, toll bridge, VAT and VRT when buying the car.
I sit at my desk to start work. - PAYE, PRSI, USC
Finish work go back out to the car to drive home - see above for driving to work.
I sit in the house watch some TV - see above taxes for any electrical device bought and used and throw in the TV license on top.
I make some dinner - Once again VAT on buying and using electrical devices.
Then off to bed - See above.
Now you tell me are we not over taxed, by my reckoning if things continue with our ridiculous spend we will be taxed per breath that we take
Overtaxing?
While inflation should play some part into it , there should also be some consideration give to our debts and tax burden on the people living in the country. No point in matching inflation if we have borrowed too much or are over taxing our civilians which is what is currently happening from a very low point in this country.
Do you do any work at all Fleaball ? How do your employer's feel about the long winded essays you post regularly on company time, or do they know?
Just some food for thought for the piggies when they are at the table negotiating the tax payer into even more debt as its not just the pay rises it is also the knock on effect with public sector pensions and our 240 Billion debt.
True. And the PS would be a getting a lot more than 10% over 2 years.
Jesus. If you put as much energy into applying for the Public Service as you have with your anti public sector posts for the last few years; you'd be an ASec by now. This is like a crusade for you. Fair play for the consistency though.
To be honest, if public pay, social welfare, etc was tied to inflation it would stop a lot of this nonsense.
Unions would have no basis for pay increases beyond inflation. Politicians could not engage in populism with pensioners on budget day and so on.
We are going to get a payrise soon and it's fully deserved. Will it make us rich? No. Will it help with the cost of living? A little.
The thing about all of these 4 and 5 percent rises is they all add up and contribute toward a pension and gratuity payment. The cost of living will most certainly come back down so that's when we will really benefit. I think 5 percent upfront is achievable but not much more than that. It's unfortunate that this is about pay only and not taking into account the wider factors which can also help people save money. Having extra money in your pocket doesn't necessarily have to mean a payrise.
No its already been shown that if inflation goes down vs pay rise per head they wont be getting a pay cut, only in the ps can they argue a situation for a pay rise and ignore a situation when their pay should be cut. I have no bother with 10% providing if deflation kicks in and income tax comes down then public sector pay is cut to the same %.
Why permabanned am I making too much sense, am I pointing out the traps that are being set up for the very near and medium future, ye know things that Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles can see. Yeah but ban away I have put links up to back up what I am saying I have tried to be civil yet most here play the man not the ball before I react in kind, but you and your brethren keep your head in the sands. I look forward to the day when the IMF are back in here and cutting your wage as its going to happen as there is no other way around it and it maybe another decade but its coming the can kicking for our debt and our outrageous amount of spending in this country vs the service provided (P1ss poor services) and the punitive income tax rates being paid to cover it will have a day of reckoning. Lets see how we are in say 4/5 years time when our 240Billion+ debt has to be rolled over on sky high interest rates (be interesting to see if the % point stays at .25% but already .5% and .75% is being discussed for September due to inflation and the Euro falling below parity with the dollar.) Not to mention the small (haha small) pension timebomb that has also been kicked down the road. Our kids and grandkids will be paying for sh1t like pay rises based on what will be shown to be a temporary increase in inflation due to 2 external factors that we have zero control over.
We will also have to sail through a recession in the next 12/24 months. I have already said I know you guys will be getting pay rises what politician is going to argue about their own pockets being filled??. But go ahead its like Animal Farm with all the animals outside looking in at the piggies and the humans making a deal that suits both and phucks over everyone else.
Why would the bank be sending a final notice when I have paid off the mortgage?
I did take redundancy a couple of years ago and left with a pay off closer to 100k than 50k. Tax free. Then started a new job the week after.
A few glasses were certainly raised that day (read, full weekend bender)
Cheers!
Tesco got a 10% pay rise because the company made record profits and are not in debt. How much as a country are we in debt again, oh wait 240Billion yeah give over will you. People on here are saying their increments are negotiated into the contract and should be honored yet they want 10% because of one years high inflation which is not in the contract and then of course they conveniently forget that for 7/8 years between 2014 and 2021 they had pay rises per head of 10%+ and inflation ran at 3% ye know so they are 7% ahead already. You cannot follow inflation vs pay rises when you want (when inflation is high) and then ignore it when you want (when inflation is low or periods of deflation). It does not work like this.
See your sh1te about employers compensation, we are already up at 8% with regards to insolvencies within the private sector in Q1 2002, Q2 will see it increase slightly mainly due to the summer months and the good weather but Q3 and Q4 will display a blood bath as in Q1 and in part Q2 the government were still providing Covid supports for businesses so the compensation offering your sh1ting on about will be the going rate of statutory redundancy and the dole.
The dogs on the street know we are hitting a recession globally.
Jesus this thread is utter garbage.
i take exception to "uneducated" squire, it was in another language and everything
it was also precisely the right intellectual level required to respond to your scattershot rhetoric rubbish
As piss takes go, this is very low quality.
I'm sure alot of them are.
Fortunately I'm one of the decent ones, I put in a 12 hour day today, flat out, no time even for a break.
I typically work around 10 hours beyond my standard weekly amount, for no additional pay, because I want to deliver, not only for my Department, but for the public relying on me.
I don't expect any thanks or praise for it.
I'm also not a union member and don't ever plan to be.
But I'm not a common find in the service, I'll agree on that. It's rotten to the core, full to the brim with 'we are entitled to xyz' types that do nothing.
Do I care, honestly, no. I'm there to carry out my duties, I do that to the fullest.
Do I care if private sector workers think all public servants are useless, no.
As long as I get that 10% that's all that matters, if 50% of the private sector gets made redundant by year end that's not my concern.
Just give me more money.
Shame that public "workers" feel this way, but it looks like some stereotypes are really true.
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