How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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it was about 2% in total the accumulation of the 8 years not annual. Remember we did have two deflation periods in there as well
Where are you getting that information, the accumulation I gathered was closer to 6%.
The reason why I was citing the 2018 CSO data is because it was specifically highlighted by the CSO in the link that you provided, showing that the public sector premium became less and less over the period 2015 to 2018. Becoming a deficit in some cases. Using your interpretation, the public sector to private sector pay gap was wider in 2018 compared to 2022, without accounting for any sectoral differences. To put it another way, private sector wage increases outstripped public sector pay restoration, increments, and raises between the period 2018 to 2022.
That is, the same trend has continued up to 2022 and when differences are taken into account, public sector pay is running at an even larger deficit compared to private sector pay in 2022 compared to 2018. All the more reason for appropriate pay rises in the public sector!
here is a handy site for you , you can put in the 2 years and it calculates what say 100 Euro was and is worth. Now put in 2014 and 2021 and remember the outrageously high inflation started in the middle of 2021.
https://www.officialdata.org/ireland/inflation/2007?endYear=2021&amount=100
And even with the premium becoming a bit less the public sector are still on average paid 20% more than the private sector in Q1 of 2022. The figure is there , you cannot hide or hijack or bring in figures from 2018. They are the cold hard numbers of the average weekly wage from the CSO. How do you make the Public sector are at a deficit when they are 20% ahead?
Would you be surprised if accountants were on average paid more than sales assistants? The same principle applies to public sector pay versus private sector pay. However, when you adjust for compositional differences between the public and private sector, such as occupational mix, sectors of activity, gender balance, union membership, etc. (according to the CSO) the apparent public sector premium becomes a deficit. That is, the public sector are paid less than their equivalents in the private sector. It’s all in the link that you posted earlier.
Sarn weekly wage 20% more paid to public sector on average and will you give over with the gender balance and phucking union membership. So all Public sector workers are accountants and all private sector are sale assistants? I can see your making an argument that the 2 sectors cannot be compared yet I have seen countless cries on here "look at what Tesco workers got 10% I want to be compared to them". Its like if it supports a public sector pay rise compare away if it does not support it then the auld ah you cant compare apples and oranges is touted. If you want to talk premiums the link I used has nothing with regards to guaranteed pensions, job security and pay rises via increments no matter how good bad or ugly you are.
No, i'll use the CSO data and so your figure of 2% is way off. So you're throwing out incorrect information and ignoring any real attempt by anyone to explain how inflation really works, even going as far as using the meagre deflation that occured outside the very few real deflationary periods as an argument against public servants having their pay aligned with inflated prices that we all know don't really come down in the medium to long term.
It's clear that you have a gripe, you're probably the most active in this thread. No point arguing with that.
Lies, not lie.
I have given you 2 sites that use the CSO data that shows it was around 3% in the years between 2014 and 2021 and the high rate of inflation currently being seen started in the middle of 2021.
Why between 2014 and 2021?
Because 2014 is the year most experts agree we were finally out of the last recession
20% of this thread is actually on topic.
Right, but is your point not on the impact of inflation on public servants since the pay deductions? Pay was cut in 2010, inflation was positive from 2011 onwards apart from two years. Inflation totaled 9% over the two years running up to the crash (2007-2008), the deflation over the two years that followed was -5.5%. Inflation continued positively from 2011 onwards bar two years, while public servants were 10% down already. Now we're at this point with inflation rising again, and you're hung up on the 10% restoration as if that should be enough to cover them when the reality is that it only brings them back to 2009 but with inflation far higher, and tax receipts up as a result.
Pay was cut as it was out of line with what could be afforded this is a fact and you will really have to take it up with the IMF they seemed to think you lot were vastly overpaid back after the crash in 08. The point is people trying to ask for a 10% pay rise on a single years inflation (yet to be proven if this inflation is temporary) and then forgetting the last 7/8 years where inflation was running at a ratio of 1:5 with how much more we pay per person in the public sector within that time frame. 2014 is the year that we came fully out of the 08 recession.
lads ye wouldnt stop in the street to discuss a random topic with someone spouting the shite this fella comes out with
do yourselves a favour
hauld tight til the deal. i doubt fliball has any input into it
Now, let's be fair. Lying is a substantial accusation which assumes the person reasonably shows an understanding of the topic and wilfully misleads others about it.
I don't think fliball123 understands it enough to lie about it.
The other 90% isn't?
University lecturers' union to ballot members for industrial action in September
the government would want to get their finger out and make a decent realistic offer or half the country will be shut down in september..
Call their collective bluff.
Parasitic behaviour
Oh no. Closed schools, cancelled medical appointments, delayed passports, calls going unanswered.
Anyway, that's enough of the day to day.
What should we expect different during a strike?
Where's the "oooh you're hard" gif when you need it ?
Probably somewhere around 2011
Sunday Independent carrying a front-page story tomorrow stating the Government will improve its pay offer and aim to have it agreed prior to the budget. Carries a quote directly from Minister McGrath.
So 5% they are offering now, I can't read the small print on that article. Is that 5% in year 1? What comes after that?
Nearly ten years too late, just like many of the dated opinions on this thread.
The unions should push for the first half of any pay increase to be backdated at least to the start of the summer.
I reckon that would get a modest increase voted over the line. People are more likely to favour a short-term, lump sum now, rather than calculating the difference between €12 per week and €15 per week over the long-term.
5% is what was initially offered, the revised offer will be higher than that. The 5% was made up of a 2.5% increase this year and a 2.5% increase next year.
Sierra is that part of the 1% earlier this year and 1% due in October? Or an additional 2.5% this year? Thanks
It's separate to the previous pay agreement, so it will be on top of it if there is an agreement. That's what is being reported in the media anyways.
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