How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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They’ll avoid large numbers leaving essential roles, nurses, teachers, prison officers, accountants, architects.
11% for cost of living and 4.5 for productivity. Only the 11% is relevant here.
It is very interesting. Personally, I would vote against 11% over 5 years.
So Dublin bus get 15.5% , Irish rail have got 10.5%, Tesco staff have got 10%. Govt need to open the cheque book for public sector staff or face the consequences in September
The proposed measures will likely improve staff retention levels in the civil service. A robust and skilled workforce is required to deliver critical public services. It’ll also likely improve staff morale and as result productivity.
Additionally you state we would be paid more for doing the same job, if the pay rise is granted.
You are paying more now, compared to six months ago, for identical goods and services.
Why is that? Businesses have passed on the increased direct and indirect costs of providing the goods/services to the customer. This, in many cases, would include increased labour costs.
Same principle apply here, you pay an increased level of economic rent(taxes) for utilising state resources as a resident of the Republic of Ireland.
Going by some peoples thinking here we should be all on bobs, shilling and pence for our wages
Agreed, a sliding ten percent pay rise across the board to the public sector graduated between ten percent for the lower grades to five percent at the higher grades actually works out as a far less net percentage to the state when salary related taxes and contributions are taken into account.
Yet Public sector wages are 20% higher than the private sector, better to use tax as a measure to tackle inflation.
You do realise that salaries/wages globally rise almost on an annual basis with little or no increase in 'productivity' globally ....
The blocklayer over the road from me has received a massive increase in wages, his per block rate has increased drastically over the past ten years despite his number of blocks laid per day remaining static (a relatively easy measure of 'productivity').
There are countless examples across every sector similar to this.
What do his employers get for increasing his salary?
Productivity is not the only metric wages can be linked to.
What do the state get if they don't pay their employees a fair wage?
Your view of salaries and productivity appears more institutionalised than my own tbh
Because you are being paid more money for doing the same job. Not just you individually but the entire public sector.
What does the tax payer/state/government get in return for increasing all of your salaries at once?
Il go out on a limb here and use the word "institutionalised"
Yes.
Can you answer it?
I am not spouting anything you guys are looking for payrises with inflation as according to your crew its seen as a pay cut with the current levels of inflaiton so if tax is lessened it softens this and has to be taken into consideration with negotiations. Not to mention we do not know if inflation will come back down so better to use tax as a measure to soften inflation as it can be ramped back up again fairly quickly
@fliball123 Why are you posting on this thread. Increases for workers inline with inflation irrespective of public or private sector should be the absolute minimum. Factoring in taxation or your sentiment on feelings for public sector workers are irrelevant. Would you kindly stop spouting your toxic comments that are anti worker in general.
really the person working will know their situation a lot better than you or I. Also 400k Public sector workers in that that are guaranteed a rise no matter what
It's foolish to conclude that every single person who says they don't expect a payrise, probably due to having a negative outlook on current global affairs, does not in fact end up getting a payrise of some sort or another.
If I asked my own wife if she expected to get a payrise at the start of the year she probably would have replied no. She ended up getting a substantial one, probably because her employer believed she was considering a change of job (and they were right). No additional responsibilities taken on, the employer benefited by retaining a trained and experienced worker who does her job well.
In anycase it's not exactly a reliable statistic. The CSO figures on the other hand are cold hard facts, and they show wage growth is occurring overall across the economy and within every single categorised industry.
Tax cuts for all workers is the solution. The tax payer cannot gift more money to the public sector when 1.2 million of those tax payers will receive nothing themselves.
Then you see groups like the teachers who I might add are all off on holiday for the summer saying if they don't get more money they will strike.
It absolutely rubs people up the wrong way.
Surely if you have anything about you simply get better at your job over time and thats the productivity increase.
Effort is your calling card when you have no skills or experience. Outcomes are your calling card when you develop the latter.
No, I'm saying that public sector workers shouldn't only get pay rises in return for productivity. This isn't the case in the private sector either.
Currently all the public sector is looking for is a mitigation of the inflationary pay cut that we're cut. Literally nobody is asking for an actual pay rise in real terms.
So because you have special skills and feel you deserve a raise so should every single public sector worker.
Come on now.
Extra pay should involve extra effort and at least the pretense of some level of accountability.
I think some are getting promotion and pay rise confused
Exactly. I didn't get it in return for productivity or hours.
Now that I'm working for the State in a similarly specialised role why should pay rises only be in return for productivity or hours?
I've brought all the same skills across with me. The only difference is the State doesn't have the flexibility to differentiate between employees so my pay rises are now effective pay cuts because they don't match inflation.
So it's a highly specialised role.
Well that's why you got pay rises every year.
How easy was that to dissect
Yes as some about 40% of private sector are getting pay rises, the rest are not and to further conflate the issue there is going to be a lot of redundancies kicking in at the end of this year and the start of next year.
Literally none of those things come within the definition of professional services.
Im being vague because I'd prefer to remain anonymous. If I told you exactly my role it wouldn't take a genius to figure out the perhaps 200 people in Ireland who were doing that role a number of years ago and who have moved to the public sector. I'd say there's about 15 of us.
But we aren't talking about pay increases for individuals who have performed well. It's a pay rise for every single public sector worker.
So no
Professional footballer? Proffered WWE wrestler? Professional pool boy?
Bit vague.
Professional services.
’Employee might take on more responsibilities or has been performing very well in their role’
So just like the public sector then.
Which assessments are you two lads struggling with to generate such a hard on for the public sector?…I’m sure there are people on here who could give you a few pointers to get you over the line.
And I might take on more responsibilties within my role in the civil service? You dont think we have targets? You have never worked in it have you? You are a special one.
1.2 million private sector workers not at the races so.
What job did you do while you worked in private sector?
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