How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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* some in the private sector
What does any employer get when they give their staff a raise? Pretty hard to quantify?
1.2 million private sector employees have said they dont expect pay rises. So there is way less than half getting them.
Why should the state get higher productivity/more hours out of their employees for increasing their pay?
We don’t have to go by anecdotal evidence of what people expect. The official CSO figures show that there was strong wage growth occurring to the end of Q1 2022. We should have the figures for Q2 2022 in the coming weeks and it’s expected that wage increases have accelerated.
This isn’t really rocket science when you consider how competitive the labour market is in the favour of employees at the moment. We’ve never had as many people employed in the history of the State. We’re at full employment.
Is this a real question?
Employee might take on more responsibilities or has been performing very well in their role.
That's how it works in the world where productivity, efficiency, targets and bottom lines count.
Maybe iv answered my own question
I worked in the private sector for about the best part of a decade and I got a (substantial) pay rise every single year through either negotiation or just because it was given to me.
Why? Because I was good at my job and they were afraid I'd leave. I never had to say I'd do extra things.
This idea that the private sector ever only gives pay rises for extra productivity is crap.
If you're in the private sector at the moment and can't get a pay rise (full employment ffs) you must not be at the races at all.
1.2 million private sector workers not at the races so.
What job did you do while you worked in private sector?
And I might take on more responsibilties within my role in the civil service? You dont think we have targets? You have never worked in it have you? You are a special one.
’Employee might take on more responsibilities or has been performing very well in their role’
So just like the public sector then.
Which assessments are you two lads struggling with to generate such a hard on for the public sector?…I’m sure there are people on here who could give you a few pointers to get you over the line.
Professional services.
Professional footballer? Proffered WWE wrestler? Professional pool boy?
Bit vague.
But we aren't talking about pay increases for individuals who have performed well. It's a pay rise for every single public sector worker.
So no
Literally none of those things come within the definition of professional services.
Im being vague because I'd prefer to remain anonymous. If I told you exactly my role it wouldn't take a genius to figure out the perhaps 200 people in Ireland who were doing that role a number of years ago and who have moved to the public sector. I'd say there's about 15 of us.
Yes as some about 40% of private sector are getting pay rises, the rest are not and to further conflate the issue there is going to be a lot of redundancies kicking in at the end of this year and the start of next year.
So it's a highly specialised role.
Well that's why you got pay rises every year.
How easy was that to dissect
Exactly. I didn't get it in return for productivity or hours.
Now that I'm working for the State in a similarly specialised role why should pay rises only be in return for productivity or hours?
I've brought all the same skills across with me. The only difference is the State doesn't have the flexibility to differentiate between employees so my pay rises are now effective pay cuts because they don't match inflation.
I think some are getting promotion and pay rise confused
Extra pay should involve extra effort and at least the pretense of some level of accountability.
So because you have special skills and feel you deserve a raise so should every single public sector worker.
Come on now.
No, I'm saying that public sector workers shouldn't only get pay rises in return for productivity. This isn't the case in the private sector either.
Currently all the public sector is looking for is a mitigation of the inflationary pay cut that we're cut. Literally nobody is asking for an actual pay rise in real terms.
Surely if you have anything about you simply get better at your job over time and thats the productivity increase.
Effort is your calling card when you have no skills or experience. Outcomes are your calling card when you develop the latter.
Tax cuts for all workers is the solution. The tax payer cannot gift more money to the public sector when 1.2 million of those tax payers will receive nothing themselves.
Then you see groups like the teachers who I might add are all off on holiday for the summer saying if they don't get more money they will strike.
It absolutely rubs people up the wrong way.
It's foolish to conclude that every single person who says they don't expect a payrise, probably due to having a negative outlook on current global affairs, does not in fact end up getting a payrise of some sort or another.
If I asked my own wife if she expected to get a payrise at the start of the year she probably would have replied no. She ended up getting a substantial one, probably because her employer believed she was considering a change of job (and they were right). No additional responsibilities taken on, the employer benefited by retaining a trained and experienced worker who does her job well.
In anycase it's not exactly a reliable statistic. The CSO figures on the other hand are cold hard facts, and they show wage growth is occurring overall across the economy and within every single categorised industry.
really the person working will know their situation a lot better than you or I. Also 400k Public sector workers in that that are guaranteed a rise no matter what
@fliball123 Why are you posting on this thread. Increases for workers inline with inflation irrespective of public or private sector should be the absolute minimum. Factoring in taxation or your sentiment on feelings for public sector workers are irrelevant. Would you kindly stop spouting your toxic comments that are anti worker in general.
I am not spouting anything you guys are looking for payrises with inflation as according to your crew its seen as a pay cut with the current levels of inflaiton so if tax is lessened it softens this and has to be taken into consideration with negotiations. Not to mention we do not know if inflation will come back down so better to use tax as a measure to soften inflation as it can be ramped back up again fairly quickly
Yes.
Can you answer it?
Because you are being paid more money for doing the same job. Not just you individually but the entire public sector.
What does the tax payer/state/government get in return for increasing all of your salaries at once?
Il go out on a limb here and use the word "institutionalised"
