How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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If only there was a way to get union representation, such as organising and joining a union?
Just on this, how do you go about setting up additional voluntary contributions?
That's why I changed jobs regularly. Get offered to stay with the increased pay as the the new job...say no.
I'm not much of a violin player. Don't think busking would suit.
Thanks though
You have to do it through a private provider yourself. Cornmarket provide them for example. Every 50 euros you put in only costs you 30 if you pay tax at the higher rate.
Was thinking the same. The service officers are paid sh!te money for the work they do. No department would operate without them.
So they shoukd be on HEO money or AP money?
Yes the work is important but hardly difficult or taxing.
That's not what he is saying, some CO work is difficult and taxing maybe some departments are easy and some departments people don't give a f*ck but there are some people who give there all
Yeah, its tough. Every job is different and have different perks. One of the perks of Public Sector is job security and well this.
I could earn a helluva lot more money in the private sector but I like my job, I am good at it, I work very hard at it, and I would have to do something different in the private sector. I know an accountant who walked into work a few weeks ago and was handed an 8% pay rise. I know a vet who walked into work and was handed a 10% pay rise. Both were just to cover inflation (but I fully accept that is irregular).
You've not worked in a big building.
Inflation will slow down, of course it will. Can you see deflation happening? I cannot. Very simply, if your pay doesn't match inflation, you're taking a pay cut. Something along the lines of 5% this year and 5% next year seems relatively fair to me. If inflation rockets on more, it's renegotiated in 12 months. If deflation occurs, it's negotiated to a lower figure (net inflation over the 24 months will still be over 5%).
The main driver of inflation is gas/oil prices. If the war stops tomorrow, yes the prices will come down because we will import more Russian gas but they won't return to what they were before. There will be huge investment in alternative sources of gas and energy.
The unions already have an offer of 3.5% this year and 3.5% next year. Hence, the deal will be higher than that. For example, the government would bite your hand off for 4% now. I don't agree with the rhetoric that unions have been lacklustre at all. We'd be in a far worse position without them. I don't agree the wage deal has to wait.
Ultimately, it doesn't overly affect me. I'll use as much gas as I did last year and buy whatever I need this winter. I'm lucky enough to be able to afford it. I'll just save less.
Very simply, if your pay doesn't match inflation, you're taking a pay cut. Something along the lines of 5% this year and 5% next year seems relatively fair to me.
That's still a pay cut! Not acceptable.
Lucky you who is in the privileged position that you can afford to put any pay rise straight into AVCs.
May I remind you that many lower paid staff are struggling to pay for food and rent, and are hoping for some relief from this?
Do you even realise how tone deaf your comment is?
I am not sure what your point is. You won't get 10% this year to match inflation but might get it over 2 years+.
Ive said if you don't match inflation it's a pay cut.
My suspicion is it will be delayed or lag so far behind inflation and other events to have little net impact for most.
If someone was sitting pretty before this. None of this will significantly effect them anyway.
Very few to no people will have pay increases that cover inflation this year whether they are private or public. It's unrealistic to look for 10%. 10% over 2-3 years is feasible and if inflation ramps up again, the agreement is renegotiated.
loads of people will.
loads will have had increases beyond what we got from 2014 onwards also.
the nature of ours is that what we get now will cover a lag and cover the next year or two.
so pls god thats that answered because it keeps coming up
My point is crystal clear.
Any "deal" which is less than inflation is a pay cut. I will be voting against.
Not going to happen for the majority. Fairest way is a new tax band.
another one confused
govt is acting in these talks as employer
they can act as govt on tax bands separately because taxation is a separate issue
when govt raise taxes i dont see anyone in here saying "dont forget to apply payrises for public sector now" because that would be clownish
Not confused in the slightest. Please explain why I'm confused?
? its literally the lines in english below the line you are taking issue with.
Excellent explanation. Outstanding.
Now can we can we both get past smart arsed comments.
How are tax bans not a fairer compromise? Just a select few get deals? Maybe I'm thick.
ok lets step back here
there is a perfectly cogent explanation in my post aside from smartarsed comments:
the govt and the public sector are negotiating a pay deal as employee/employer group
the govt are also along with the civil service running the country including taxation policy etc
these are separate things and this thread is about the former
the govt can alleviate the pressures of inflation by tax band measures for all within band x or y but that's action across the entire economy and separate to the scope of pay talks which as noted are likely to run at around 4% odd this year and next
the fact that the govt accepts this as triggered by clauses/agreement in the previous deal would seem to demonstrate that its quite separate to tax measures.
your employer hardly points you to tax bands when you go looking for an increase nor would you accept it if they did
again- saying that the govt is giving us a pay increase if they lower the tax burden is not true and a fundamental misunderstanding and i bet its not one that anyone makes in the other direction
I was a CO for 13 years. I know exactly how difficult it is on that money. Are you a one income household?
Time for you to start play a different tune other than the poor mouth. Maybe work a little harder and get a promotion.
I agree it is a pay cut if the deal does not equal inflation. However, what you're looking for is unrealistic. We won't get that. It's that simple. We might get is spread over 2-3 years but no way we're getting it in one go this year.
Chatting to someone I know who is now retired but was involved in the talks years and years ago, his guess was 3.5% this year, 3.5% next year, and 3.5% the year after. This is on top of the 1% this year so in total would bring us to 11.5% over 3 years. I would vote for that.
Some people in the private sector will get increases that match inflation. I suspect most people will not. I would imagine most people in the private sector have gotten pay increases since 2014 that far outstrip pay increases in the Public Sector. However, thats the nature of public v private. It's one of the benefits of working in the private sector. In my opinion, the public sector should only ever match inflation (never more, never less).
The nature of ours is that we won't end up matching inflation (in the long run)....
I'd definitely vote for that.
You wont have a chance. It'll never happen.
At this stage I'd be on for the Unions banking whatever we can get before this winter.
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