How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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CPI inflation between Jan 2014 and Dec 2021 was almost 7.5%
Sorry your argument does not hold water people coming in later from (2010 onward) I believe it was 10% less, this obviously went back up towards parity over the years but in the public sector in a lot of cases new employees were being paid less then the employees who where doing the same job there before them also increments where paid right through the last recession, sure there was a whole hullabaloo about new entrants getting their "pay restoration"
So your analogy doesn't stake up. The figures are there I did actually take the p1ss in a post a couple of pages back and suggested that if the whole woe is me, I dont get any increases hard luck stories coming from the public sector was to be believed that the figure for each new entrant from 2014 onwards was 107k in order to balance out the addtional costs in 2021. (which obviously didnt happen) Sorry about your basic understanding of how things are within the sector and my math is actually correct.
new entrants in from 2010 onward
You seem to have literally no idea how percentages work.
The article doesn't provide suitable figures for your extrapolation. The only way you can achieve this is by deeply misunderstanding the content.
how do we know they are being disingenious when you haven't even provided the equivalent comparitory pay rises for the private sector (including ideally perks and bonuses) over the exact same time frame
yeah the figures I was looking at where Feb in 2021. Our current out of control inflation started toward the end of 2021. So even going by your figure of end of Dec 21 it is 7.3% you still got a 17% increase in pay per person in that time. Also the increase in wages and the cost of annual increments in the year for 2021 for workers in the public sector from last year are not included in my figures either so that is another 1% + another say 1% (to round it up) for increments. So there is still from Jan 14 to Dec 21 a differential of roughly 10 - 12% on pay per person vs inflation (depending on how much it cost for annual increments) that the ps pay per person went up in within that time frame.
go on elaborate I took the overall numbers, the overall cost its not that hard and using both numbers for the start and end year. I have the math worked out a couple of pages back
I cant find the info on it to be honest I have looked if you find them put them up. Also when you do get them what will it prove?
What's the odds fliball123 is actually the SecGen of health telling the rest of us to eat cake 🤣
Lots of needless arguing going on lads
What'd I tell ya, a waste of bandwidth.
Well its an argument that needs to happen, The US look like they will be in recession by the next quarter and over in Ireland its madness nothing to see here 10% pay rises for the lads. What is the phrase if America sneezes the world catches a cold and with our open economy.
Its starting to smell like 06 again ps pay rises for all. Private sector price gouging going on and the banks will be getting their share of the action and will be upping rates after the next ECB price hike in October as well, property prices through the roof and renting even more expensive than a mortgage and our bloated expenditure which we have had to borrow for year on year since the bust is once again built on a tax take that could disappear very quickly- back then it was stamp duty and today its corpo tax 1 in every 5 euros we take in is from corporation tax. 100 companies pay 80% of our corpo tax, if some of these decide to wave goodbye to Ireland the IMF will be back in and this time we cant kick the can down the road with our debt levels and rising interest rates on borrowing.
Your yet to prove me wrong :) one poster put up 7.3 inflation in Dec 2021 but it was 2.1 in Feb 2021 and even using the upper rate the math still shows at least 10% pay per person in the public sector vs inflation in the years of 2014 to 2021.
So many blank posts...
latest year on year pay rises/decreases revealed:
private sector: +4.1%
public sector: -1.7%
can see why with inflation running at 9+% workers are looking for cost of living rises
I haven't had to do anything. You've proven yourself incapable of the most rudimentary calculations and are making a show of yourself. You're also pulling figures out of your hole "sure we'll throw another 1% on to round it up" 🤣
So, you now accept that the inflation figure is ~7.3%,yes? Where'd you get your 2% figure from and why are you so sure of your other, more nuanced and complex figures seeing as you were off by a factor of 3.65 on something that is so easily found?
More to the point, why would anyone else have faith in you when you are so wrong and just handwave your mistakes away without even a cursory acknowledgement that you were talking shite?
Back to company A:
Everyone is on 30k and theres 10 of them, so wage bill is 300k.
Person X gets promoted to manager and is on 130k. They hire a new guy to replace person x, and they get the new rate of 20k, because the new hires got shafted.
Wage bill is now 450k for 11 people,or ~41k per person. Using your average bollocksology, everyone got a 33% pay rise when in reality 90% of them haven't seen an extra cent.
"I can do maffs, me"
It also shows they are still being paid a hell of a lot more (20%) public sector weekly wage 1021 vs private sector weekly wage 831 . Also can anyone here say how the public sector are down 1.7% in wages when they got increments and a 1% pay rise last year? Is this the effect of new employees on the lower rates?
2% inflation?? look at Jan 14 to Feb 21 I said that in the post. I have no idea how much were paid in increment last year do you? but it did add to the the cost. Also didn't the public sector get a rise of 1% last year as well so I put 2% for the total and I left the margin open as in from 10% to 12% depending on the amount so even if there was zero increments its still 10.7%.
Where'd you get your 2%, I asked. If you want people to engage with you further, you're gonna have to come clean. I'm already sick of it, tbh.
You're gas. It has to apply to your specific timeframe and nothing else. You have picked the most ungenerous understanding of the situation. It's practically nonsense. "Pay increases" as you put them have actually been restoration. The point you pick is at the height of austerity measures. You're absolutely full of it. Fake stats, dodgy maths, and an enormous chip on your shoulder. You clearly need a hobby.
Higher paid retiring and the lower entrants on a reduced pay scale filling the gap maybe? Also, the majority of public sector are toward the lower end. Your averages there are skewed by a few high earners, which I'd be happy to see not get a pay rise.
at a mere cursory glance - perhaps your friends working in arts, entertainment, recreation and other service amenities (615) - i'm sure there is quite a large number of them are bringing the precious private sector "average" figure down despite the very best efforts of other heros in namely ICT (1506) and finance chums (1359) raising the bar .. one could also argue the tossers in education (938) and health (794) categories are bringing the public sector "average" down..
you are quite simply not comparing as they say in economics 101 apples with apples and oranges with oranges - when glibly comparing entire private sector categories, numbers, skillsets or lack thereof with entire categories of public sector workers (number of workers and skillsets or also lack thereof)
I redid the calcs with the new figure, I was going off the article as well. So its still 10.7 from January 2014 to December 2021. The point I picked was after we were out of recession as it was clearly obvious by the IMF coming in that what was being paid out before this was not affordable OK.
So the private sector is not skewed by the same factor? What we can see is 20% pay differential already. We can see from opinions that about 1.2 million people in the private sector reckon they will not be getting no pay rise in 2022. I have put up the link already. There are more people in the lower end wage in the private sector and more high earners in the private sector too. skewed will you come off it will you.
Funny how that works we have had public sector lads on here point to Dunnes and Tesco getting 10% and stating we want this too as everyone in the private sector are killing it, also Ulster bank was name checked getting a pay rise even do there will be zero workers working in that company in this country soon enough and yet when facts are brought out which you can actually compare now all of a sudden its apples and oranges and we cant compare the two sectors, so which is it?
if the public sector is so great its not too late to join you know :)
Another public sector basher. No dealing with them, it's pure spite and clueless fist shaking.
Ah the auld reliable argument when facts are laid bare, well ball back over to your side of the court if the private sector are killing it why don't you join them Dunnes are hiring? Figures are there 20% pay differential between the 2 sectors.
I work in Tesco.
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