How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425200/#Comment_121425200
The recession is coming regardless of what we do we could pay the PS any price they want and it will not stop the inevitable recession. There is no situation historically where we have seen the very high price rises in every aspect of day to day living with wages for most people not going up to match (and regardless of some say in here there are more people in the private sector not getting a pay rise than are) the issue is how to continue paying for our public sector going forward if we give the pay rises suggested when the recession hits, that is a double whammy while we are also hamstrung on borrowing with our debt and the upping of interest rates, this will take a lot longer to get out of or we will see the IMF coming back in and cutting public sector wages, pensions and welfare. The other factor in the double whammy will be unemployment our tax revenues will drop. I think you guys are mad not taking whats on offer and if its left for another 6 months Ireland Inc's financial situation could be a completely different animal and that offer will be gone.
It is horseshit. Ive been in banks , insurance companies, pension firms. It is absolute penis talk.
Only way I got a decent pay increase in the private sector is by changing jobs.
Banks?? I wonder how much of a pay increase Ulster bank and KBC staff will be getting in Ireland?? Oh wait ahem? The way most people in the private sector get a pay rise is by working in a position for a few years and then applying for a job higher up on the salary scale.
Given the source of the advice, it’s a safe bet that public servants should do the exact opposite of whatever you propose to maximise their return.
whats this comp ratio
we'll do a quick recap
private sector firms arent comparable to the public sector
entire private sector *industries* arent comparable to the public sector
now we've done that, has anyone any questions or will we agree that anyone continuing to do so is just limited in what they can usefully contribute here
Good man Andrew always playing the man and not the ball. Snoop there is selective comparisons ala benchmarking when private sector wages where going up it sure as sh1t suited to compare back then or now if Tesco or Dunnes (two companies out of thousands which seem to be getting the most traction from the public sector posters here) get a pay rise then the whole of the public sector should get the sam, yet there is a higher % of employees in the private sector getting zero pay rises. Also no mention of the profits both tesco and dunnes made and compare to the countries finances. So its comparisons when it suits and head in the sand when it doesn't.
do you really want to compare pay rises in those firms vs public sector?
without cherrypicking the dates youd look even more of a plum than usual in doing so
you can then retreat to "but but they lost their jobs" and then i can point you to the normal response that things that we cant afford to stop happening even if profit isnt made come under the remit of what we call the public sector and that is rather an underpinning element of the whole enterprise
then you'll say but but ireland inc but but increments because you simply arent at the races here in terms of the actual relevant items- an employer, an employee base, a failure to review pay rates sufficiently at grade level for the past 8 years and a set of negotiations ongoing.
everything else is you bleating
you have provided zero information on % of private sector receiving pay rises.
repetition might be high in yr toolkit but its a **** tool my friend
The fact is both companies are pulling out the country and guess what a % of zero is when the workers who used to work in Ulster or KBC are unemployed???
i answered that point in the post you responded to.
keep up.
you never mentioned your job/sector by the way - you ghosted when asked
Really so everyone in the private sector are getting pay rises can you prove this. I can point to top government officials looking at introducing a new interest rate band for those on low to medium incomes (30%) in the next budget so ask the basic question, if everyone was getting a pay rise in the private sector why would they do this as there would be zero reason to do this.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0705/1308498-ireland-budget/
We should take 5 percent now. It'll be taken off us when the economy hits the wall again. Lets cut our losses now. The govt havent flinched. Work to rule and delay passport applications, welfare claims, revenue refunds etc as mich as possible if they wont give us 5 percent now.
I think that offer will be off the table sooner than you think as well I think one thing we can all agree on is that there is one hell of a recession going to hit. The government cant flinch one wrong move and they are gone.
100 percent agree. Take the offer asap. Lets not pretend there will be an offer of 8 percent or 10 percent etc.
I've nothing of substance to contribute to the thread, nevertheless, as that doesn't seem to be an impediment to other posters I thought I should mark this occasion;
In 20 years of browsing boards this is the first time I've ever used the 'ignore' function.
They won’t be unemployed though.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
I believe there are nearly 2800 staff so 400 got to keep their job what happened to the rest? Good man I like your glass half full or in your case 1/7th full look at life. Facts yeah come on facts?
over 2200 are going to be made redundant and back in 2020 there were others made redundant. in Ulster bank just google it I haven't got time for you beloved facts as you seem to know everything and know nothing at the same time.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ulster-bank-faces-300-million-redundancy-bill-cch8mxzph
Things not much better for KBC
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0525/1300992-financial-services-union-survey/
Well they were made redundant meaning they got money to stop working and im sure alot of them were happy to take the money and look for another job.
Yeap maybe / maybe not. One thing is for sure that people in the public sector looking at Ulster bank or KBC at the increases in wage the company are giving to its current employees cannot be used as a base for their pay rise when the vast majority will not be working there in the future.
Not 5 percent, it was 6 percent. The rise in October is paid one way or the other.
Outside perspective shut out. Dissenting voices ignored. Alternative point of views is not the correct answer.
Yep, pretty much standard of the public service.
My mistake, apologies. Looks like really good redundancy terms they're getting. And with the skills shortages in the finance sector, they'll be snapped up by one of the other banks or brokers in no time. https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0711/1309625-skills-shortage-threatens-financial-services-sector/
maybe/maybe not, but can we put to bed any comparison of pay rises given by Ulster bank when the public sector are looking for theirs as anyone who keeps a job out of the existing Ulster bank staff will no longer be an ulster bank employee or they are gong to be on the dole queue or they may get a new job which may give them more pay (which is how most people get a pay rise in the private sector)
Was chatting in work today about the impending vote. No appetite in the office for a strike and we'd be quiet happy with 3% a year.
The Public Service should really have a generous redundancy scheme too.
Well I cant speak for going forward but they had the best back after the last recession, lots of people were politely asked if they wanted to leave with a wedge of cash or the golden parachute (not one forced redundancy) and realms of these rehired on contract wage as feck all thought went into who was given this offer. I cant see it happening again (although you never know) due to the numbers of employees that are actually needed for the sector and the amount of people living here which has increased by at least 20% in that time..
Every time public service pay is talked about fliball and salonfire turn up. And this is going back over 10 years btw. What is that about? Imagine being that obsessed about PS pay.
It paints a depressing picture of where they must be in their lives. Sorry to be blunt but it’s very peculiar.
what impending vote?
taking 3% when inflation is running at almost 10% is madness
pop over to property thread and they are admant over there that all and sundry in the private sector are getting massive pay rises..
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