How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Good man Andrew always playing the man and not the ball. Snoop there is selective comparisons ala benchmarking when private sector wages where going up it sure as sh1t suited to compare back then or now if Tesco or Dunnes (two companies out of thousands which seem to be getting the most traction from the public sector posters here) get a pay rise then the whole of the public sector should get the sam, yet there is a higher % of employees in the private sector getting zero pay rises. Also no mention of the profits both tesco and dunnes made and compare to the countries finances. So its comparisons when it suits and head in the sand when it doesn't.
we'll do a quick recap
private sector firms arent comparable to the public sector
entire private sector *industries* arent comparable to the public sector
now we've done that, has anyone any questions or will we agree that anyone continuing to do so is just limited in what they can usefully contribute here
whats this comp ratio
Given the source of the advice, it’s a safe bet that public servants should do the exact opposite of whatever you propose to maximise their return.
Banks?? I wonder how much of a pay increase Ulster bank and KBC staff will be getting in Ireland?? Oh wait ahem? The way most people in the private sector get a pay rise is by working in a position for a few years and then applying for a job higher up on the salary scale.
Only way I got a decent pay increase in the private sector is by changing jobs.
It is horseshit. Ive been in banks , insurance companies, pension firms. It is absolute penis talk.
The recession is coming regardless of what we do we could pay the PS any price they want and it will not stop the inevitable recession. There is no situation historically where we have seen the very high price rises in every aspect of day to day living with wages for most people not going up to match (and regardless of some say in here there are more people in the private sector not getting a pay rise than are) the issue is how to continue paying for our public sector going forward if we give the pay rises suggested when the recession hits, that is a double whammy while we are also hamstrung on borrowing with our debt and the upping of interest rates, this will take a lot longer to get out of or we will see the IMF coming back in and cutting public sector wages, pensions and welfare. The other factor in the double whammy will be unemployment our tax revenues will drop. I think you guys are mad not taking whats on offer and if its left for another 6 months Ireland Inc's financial situation could be a completely different animal and that offer will be gone.
gonna be a massive recession so with that plan .. if many workers are faced with a nine or ten percent drop in real income due to reported inflation (it could be worse than that as prices in shops are gone through the roof on many products) plus a hit on rising interest rates .. many businesses will be savagely hit next year if the consumer/ worker is not given something to psychologically and practically mitigate rising cost of living.. it won't take much for the scarcity mindset to kick in and consumers unreservedly cutting back on their spending across the board with all the accompanying knock on effects on business that follow
It's not as simple as that.
If you do the above, people will have less to spend, businesses will have less income and need to close or put their prices up to compensate for less business, aka more inflation on prices.
The government walking away on the holidays for a month would suggest that what is on the table is the only game in town. The longer is not accepted the higher chance of a lower amount in the future, consumer spending down 5% in June, people are tightening their belts we are in for one hell of a recession and dont worry the private sector will go first keep an eye on unemployment before the end of the year.
You go first.
Except when they get a pay increase eh? Nonsense.
In order to stop inflation, we need to stop giving people more money and actually take more away with interest rate increases etc.
We might not like it but that's the plan and that's what is required after acting so irresponsible the last few years.
Oh baybeeeee
That's not what @salonfire said though. He said there were across the board increases coming. Yiz should really make your minds up and stop confusing people.
In 20 years of employment across multiple private companies (and a 2 year stint in a semi state), it's my observed reality too. Not horseshit
Yes, there should be no more pay increases after the top of the scale. Want more money? Get promoted. This happens in private sector MNCs too - you reach the top of the comp ratio for your role and no more pay increases.
Oh about the same coverage as cancelled appointments, delayed passports, 4+ year waiting lists get today, that is minimal to none because people don't expect much day to day as it is.
Utter horseshit.
In some jobs in either sector there is a pay limit that logically has to kick in and will only go up to a certain point and it does not make sense to pay more. There are more workers in the private sector not getting pay rises than are getting them. A lot of companies are really struggling and in the next 12 to 24 months they are going to hit the wall they had the covid payments keeping them on life support.
And what about all the Public sector workers that have reached the end of the increment scale. Should not receive anymore pay rises until they retire? Those employees are reliant on public sectors pay deals staying in line with inflation to prevent them having a wage decrease every year.
Clear from this chat the people in the Private sector want their pay rise off their employer this year whilst also reaping the benefits of the governments plans for changed tax bands, effectively giving them a double increase yet they would begrudge the Public sector workers the same benefit.
Hope I never have as much bitterness inside me as some of the people in this thread have towards the Public sector.
Tell them the same thing that is being said to the vast majority of the private sector (not all private sector companies are giving pay rises, a lot are barely surviving) "your employer is struggling and cant afford to pay more and hopefully we will keep you employed though the upcoming recession"
You're right about the fickle nature of media coverage, though I'd imagine that Government are well aware of what kind of media coverage will quickly emerge when people start not getting passports issued, and not having their kids educated, and not having their occupational therapy and speech therapy sessions for their family, and not getting tenders and grants issued to their businesses, and not having their buses and trains available.
That's great news for the many public sector staff who aren't due to get increments under the current scheme. What can I tell them to expect with this 'across the board' increase that you're planning?
And the public sector get pay rises across the board. It's called increments, on top of whatever pay deal is in place.
In October, the 1% gave me a whopping extra €5 per week in my pay. It just about covers the weekly cost increases of my milk!
I looked up the payscales for Primary Teaching and there are actually only 17 points which you move up and actually get money on, on paper there are 25. It's ridiculous and how our unions agreed to that, beyond dumb to be honest. 17 points in 35 years of teaching, wow! 🙄
It would actually be in the government's favour to get a move on with these talks as prices are increasing across the board, all the time.
Every company I have worked for has given pay rises across the board. Thats more than one company like you suggested.
Hundreds of thousands of working hours have already been removed from the public and civil service. No one is even going to notice.
Not just me. The Government has walked away from the talks after their effort was rejected and no one gives a toss. Nobody is worried about potential strike action. It's not in the media.
You're hilarious. Let's go for a good three day run with no public services beyond emergency cover and see how your macho BS is feeling after that.
The impacts go beyond your nice little world of office workers with private health insurance pretending to work at home. Your seething contempt for people who don’t have nice clean professional jobs is noted.
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