People forcing doors open and marching down to the station. https://twitter.com/Pipalicious/status/1551212928338214913
I.E. on stop . Whoa
If you slip and fall onto a road, a car can move around to avoid you and should also be able to stop promptly. If you slipped and fall in front of a train, do you have any idea how long it'll take for it to stop?
It's not comparable to a car or lorry driver on the road because It's inherently strange behavior to be walking on a train line in the first place. If I, as a train driver saw someone walking down the line I would assume they were going to try to top themselves, as I'm sure others would assume also.
Well it will only go wrong once....
The way I look at it is this, it is actually safer than walking down the road. A car, truck, tractor or whatever could literally go anywhere if the driver lost control and flatten you and anyone else in its random path. On the other hand, a train even in the absolute worst case if the driver drops to the floor with a massive heart attack, will just stop, or even if fail safes fail, it'll continue along its path on the rails. What it definitely will not do is swerve around the place at random bouncing off the ditches.
As for jumping out in front of the driver...well how does any car or lorry driver know that some dope isn't going to walk or throw themselves out in front of them on the road? If a driver is that sort of panicky anxiety wracked person wondering what if this and what if that then they shouldn't be driving a train.
I can see up and down the line for at least 1km in either direction, and if something does come along unexpectedly, well I do have eyes and ears and I can step in to the verge if I am not already there. You know, the same as you would if a car or lorry was passing you by on a country road.
So I believe it is safer to walk there than walk on the road, but that is not the reason I do it.
Can you not find anywhere else to walk? There's sound reasons why you should not be there. You may think you know it all, but there may be trains not on the public timetable, possibly machinery as well. Drivers may not appreciate you being there, how are they to know you're not going to jump out in front of them?
By your reasoning it's fine if I walked on the verge of a motorway or a took a stroll on a building site or a toddle around someone else's property but I know a stubborn person like yourself will of course know better.
All fair enough, but it is a pleasant place for a quiet peaceful walk away from the roads. Only a handful of trains a day and none on sundays. And there is plenty stand-in room in the verges as the alignment and structures were built to accomodate double track. I love walking there.
So unless IE are going to haul me in front of a judge for it in the District Court, I will continue to do so no-matter what the rule book or anyone on here says about it.
Are we suggesting a city bound train leaving from platform 1, should move backwards on the line, to accomodate a terminating train?
Probably not but still doesn't make it ok, you have no business being there.
Yeah but what realistically can or could you do for punishing this tresspass? Take 100 mothers, grannies and small children to court and get convictions? Irish rail want this to go a way and blow over asap. Taking legal proceedings is one sure fire way of inflaming an already disastrous PR situation.
And in the wider sense of punishing tresspass on the line. It is scarecely even possible. Unless someone is apprehended by Gardai in the act of tresspass , there is nothing that can be done.
And the legal cost and time and effort involved simply isn't worth the hassle.
I have tresspassed on a quiet cross country branch line regularly. I just wave at the driver and he usually waves back.
Shall I expect a day in court now for this admission?
The point has been made that this group of people were not used to being on the train or whatever. The question is whether they will enjoy their experience and become more regular travellers, in many cases people do not get an experience that would bring them back. Beyond that, if people have a bad experience then not only do they not travel but they become unwilling as taxpayers to subsidise a service that treats its customers like this. So you have a vicious circle.
Under normal circumstances no, correct.
In this case though it would not have made a difference. By the look of it the DART In the platform couldnt move until it was empty so whats the one moving up to it gonna do ? same thing - passengers out onto the tracks so no improvement. And now you definitely cant move the first dart with pax on the tracks nearby
Part of me says controller shouldnt have let the 2nd dart leave Shankill till it had a clear run
Now we know how long people will wait to self-evac when its this hot with broken AC on a rammed dart
That is not how railways operate.
Instead of stopping for 5 minutes just outside the station pissing of the public, ask the other train in the station to move up and both trains can be at the station at the same time. Obviously drive into the station slowly for safety reasons.
That way all passengers can get out at the station and both trains can wait for whatever they are waiting for.
They keep saying it was 5 minutes, but those trains have been known to wait for a lot longer than that for similar incidents.
And this carry on about waiting just before Grand Canal Dock for sometimes 10 minutes northbound when there is obviously no train at the Grand Canal Dock station.
DRIVE INTO THE STATION FIRST AND LET THE GRAND CANAL DOCK PEOPLE OUT, THEN WAIT FOR 10 MINUTES.
They can and do. When I used to take the DART every day up until 2018 my train was always a regular 8 car set.
There's an intercom next to the doors to communicate with the driver.
There's an emergency intercom in each carriage.
Since when can passengers use the intercom?
I don't think I've seen an 8-piece 8100 since they got the refurb, so I'm not sure if they still can. I definitely saw the originals in an 8-piece formation around 2007 or 2008. They also used to be able to run as a 6-piece with an 8500 but can't now.
100%
However, crowd management and the risk associated with it are well understood at this stage and ultimately Irish Rail completely failed to manage the situation safely. It should not have been a surprise to them that there would be high demand yesterday and yet there appears to have been no additional capacity, no extra staff at stations, no preemptive checks that air conditioning was working, etc. When you let a situation get out of control, it’s too late to point the finger at crowds and say that they acted stupidly because you know without any doubt that they will act stupidly and irrationally.
Go to a capacity match in Old Trafford and watch how thousands of people get to and from the stadium safely by public transport. It’s not hard.
I would dare say there was probably alcohol involved as well.
Plenty of blame to go around, from Irish Rail to gormless passengers packing themselves in like sardines.
You’re right but it’s irrelevant. People don’t make rational decisions when they’re faced with a solution like that.
Walking on active railway line could have much more serious consequences. As we can see the people walking on the lines stopped all trains on the line, what if another train was coming up as they jumped onto the tracks? Then we'd of had much more serious medical situation.
Over heating is an issue but breaking the doors on a train and getting into a much more dangerous situation is not the solution.
i was on one of the trains that got delayed with kids.the heat was unreal.
that was only half the problem as Dublin bus was caught off guard and couldn’t manage the situation either.
That’s the end of the que for buses
Just for next time, might be a good idea to try and schedule the air show and All-Ireland Final to different dates. Dublin public transport works pretty poorly during weekends, and now there were two huge events on.
I was trying to get a 145 bus down to Bray around noon, but the traffic along the quays was at a complete stand-still with taxis/coaches/cars bringing in people for the GAA match. And loads of people trying to get to Bray too. One bus passed me in 30 minutes, but it was full. Gave up eventually, I do like airshows but getting there was too much hassle.
Even in the winter months they can't get the basics right, they put the heat up full despite the fact that everyone arriving at the station to board the train arrives ready for the weather of the day so jackets, multiple layers etc. You don't sit in your car with heat up full wearing a jacket.
im 1000% in agreement with this.
“cars = bad so, so you all need to go and use an underfunded and poorly ran shítshow of a service that mostly isn’t fit for purpose.”
It seems that Irish Rail have the wrong sort of public. How inconvenient.
I've had people pass out and/or get sick on my regular commuter train often enough. The overcrowding in small spaces makes it airless and very unpleasant. I actually switched back to using the car and cancelled my annual tax saver because the train was so unpleasant.
I kind of guessed what the atmosphere might have been on board, however on Twatter someone accused me of being a Dublin 4 elitist looking down from my tower at the peasants 😂😂😂 Just glad I decided not to go today, I’d a particularly bad feeling about it this time as people in general have become more feral… myself included!
The driver tried to, but everytime he did, there was a barrage of obscenities personally directed at him over the intercoms. As you said, they weren't used to the way trains are routed. But they just flat out didn't care.
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