How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Exactly.The tax bands are being adjusted as inflation is effecting pay and more people in private sector are moving into top band. If the Public sector aren't getting an the same increases linked to inflation I don't see how changing tax bands is fair to public sector workers(ensuring private sector keep inlfation gains while public sector receving nothing)
Private sector are not getting pay increases just because inflation is high.
Not a hope in hell of it. Pay rises are currently and always have been related to individual performance and business profitability.
This is a fantasy version of the private sector.
When I was in the private sector my and every colleagues pay went up every year by a few grand. I worked in this company for 7 years. We weren't all brilliant.
One experience at one company at one point in time.
Meanwhile in the real world every single SME and every single large employer are not putting up every single employees pay in every single position in every single company at the same time just because of inflation.
Yet this is exactly what the public sector expect for themselves.
Companies who are highly profitable and with employees who are outperforming and in demand are most likely giving pay rises in the private sector . It's not across the board as per my example. No way
You seem to have forgotten the other side of the equation entirely, the impact of the loss of public services - the loss of medical services, teaching services, park services, beach services, court services, safety inspection services, health inspection services and more. The strike scenario is far from pain free for government.
Oh so what.
The work will still be there when the workers return. You'll just have twice as much to do when you do.
The sun will still rise in the morning.
Loss of teaching and medical services. Has it escaped your attention this happens all the time anyway? Appointments cancelled, snow days, inservice days, etc.
Those smart enough to have private medical insurance won't be affected. WFH means last minute childcare is not needed.
If some form somewhere is not filled in for a few days, noone would even notice.
Grand so, tell the people who've been waiting years for their medical appointment So What. Tell the single parent of young kids who can't WFH So What. Tell the meat factory owner who can't produce without the veterinary inspector So What.
You'll just have twice as much work to do when you do return.
Those smart enough to have private medical insurance won't be affected. WFH means last minute childcare is not needed. How does that single mother manage on the many weather related school closures?
You're hilarious. Let's go for a good three day run with no public services beyond emergency cover and see how your macho BS is feeling after that.
The impacts go beyond your nice little world of office workers with private health insurance pretending to work at home. Your seething contempt for people who don’t have nice clean professional jobs is noted.
Hundreds of thousands of working hours have already been removed from the public and civil service. No one is even going to notice.
Not just me. The Government has walked away from the talks after their effort was rejected and no one gives a toss. Nobody is worried about potential strike action. It's not in the media.
Every company I have worked for has given pay rises across the board. Thats more than one company like you suggested.
In October, the 1% gave me a whopping extra €5 per week in my pay. It just about covers the weekly cost increases of my milk!
I looked up the payscales for Primary Teaching and there are actually only 17 points which you move up and actually get money on, on paper there are 25. It's ridiculous and how our unions agreed to that, beyond dumb to be honest. 17 points in 35 years of teaching, wow! 🙄
It would actually be in the government's favour to get a move on with these talks as prices are increasing across the board, all the time.
And the public sector get pay rises across the board. It's called increments, on top of whatever pay deal is in place.
That's great news for the many public sector staff who aren't due to get increments under the current scheme. What can I tell them to expect with this 'across the board' increase that you're planning?
You're right about the fickle nature of media coverage, though I'd imagine that Government are well aware of what kind of media coverage will quickly emerge when people start not getting passports issued, and not having their kids educated, and not having their occupational therapy and speech therapy sessions for their family, and not getting tenders and grants issued to their businesses, and not having their buses and trains available.
Tell them the same thing that is being said to the vast majority of the private sector (not all private sector companies are giving pay rises, a lot are barely surviving) "your employer is struggling and cant afford to pay more and hopefully we will keep you employed though the upcoming recession"
And what about all the Public sector workers that have reached the end of the increment scale. Should not receive anymore pay rises until they retire? Those employees are reliant on public sectors pay deals staying in line with inflation to prevent them having a wage decrease every year.
Clear from this chat the people in the Private sector want their pay rise off their employer this year whilst also reaping the benefits of the governments plans for changed tax bands, effectively giving them a double increase yet they would begrudge the Public sector workers the same benefit.
Hope I never have as much bitterness inside me as some of the people in this thread have towards the Public sector.
In some jobs in either sector there is a pay limit that logically has to kick in and will only go up to a certain point and it does not make sense to pay more. There are more workers in the private sector not getting pay rises than are getting them. A lot of companies are really struggling and in the next 12 to 24 months they are going to hit the wall they had the covid payments keeping them on life support.
Utter horseshit.
Oh about the same coverage as cancelled appointments, delayed passports, 4+ year waiting lists get today, that is minimal to none because people don't expect much day to day as it is.
Yes, there should be no more pay increases after the top of the scale. Want more money? Get promoted. This happens in private sector MNCs too - you reach the top of the comp ratio for your role and no more pay increases.
In 20 years of employment across multiple private companies (and a 2 year stint in a semi state), it's my observed reality too. Not horseshit
That's not what @salonfire said though. He said there were across the board increases coming. Yiz should really make your minds up and stop confusing people.
Oh baybeeeee
In order to stop inflation, we need to stop giving people more money and actually take more away with interest rate increases etc.
We might not like it but that's the plan and that's what is required after acting so irresponsible the last few years.
Except when they get a pay increase eh? Nonsense.
You go first.
The government walking away on the holidays for a month would suggest that what is on the table is the only game in town. The longer is not accepted the higher chance of a lower amount in the future, consumer spending down 5% in June, people are tightening their belts we are in for one hell of a recession and dont worry the private sector will go first keep an eye on unemployment before the end of the year.
It's not as simple as that.
If you do the above, people will have less to spend, businesses will have less income and need to close or put their prices up to compensate for less business, aka more inflation on prices.
gonna be a massive recession so with that plan .. if many workers are faced with a nine or ten percent drop in real income due to reported inflation (it could be worse than that as prices in shops are gone through the roof on many products) plus a hit on rising interest rates .. many businesses will be savagely hit next year if the consumer/ worker is not given something to psychologically and practically mitigate rising cost of living.. it won't take much for the scarcity mindset to kick in and consumers unreservedly cutting back on their spending across the board with all the accompanying knock on effects on business that follow
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