How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Yet this is what is happening or the coffee shop worker is deciding to sit on the dole as it may be financially better for them and its being reported already on some tabloids but private sector co.s do not have the same soapbox as teachers , they cannot fill the jobs being advertised so should we offer shop workers and retail staff a subsidy to live in Dublin? It is actually a problem country wide but acutely its felt more in Dublin as the costs involved. Its not just public sector jobs that are going unfilled.
https://www.businesspost.ie/news-focus/when-you-cant-get-the-staff-the-retail-sectors-worker-problem/
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/businesses-warn-most-industries-now-suffering-damaging-staff-shortages-1.4809313
Well by your logic the coffee shop worker should just move out of dublin their choice to live here.
im not picking and choosing just showing the huge holes in your argument
and what about the coffee shop worker, yeah pick and choose what you want. The fact is and this is going to be hard for some in here to listen to but we have a housing crisis, our health care system is not fit for purpose even do its possibly per head the most expensive in the world to run, our infrastructure is not where it should be and you guys think we should give the Dublin based ps a rise while borrowing the money to do so and heading into a recession and increasing interest rates? As I keep saying we are all running the same race and jumping the same hurdles and just because one vested interest has access to the media via unions does not make their need greater. Don't be surprised if the pay rises talked about dissipate as there are other areas in greater need and when the private sector gets decimated by job loses and your talking about 18 to 24 months time and corporation taxes head out the door the IMF will be in here again. Anyone doubting the validity of the soon to come recession should look at markets, our debts, our currency value and the fact that the magic money printer will not be turned on again as it does not suit the likes of Germany and France, our interest rates and which way they can only go (up), affordability (of everything not just housing), our dependence on corpo tax and the lack of investment into infrastructure over the last decade and a half (housing, schools, roads, broadband, etc), also just look at some of the threads on here its nearly a self fulfilling prophecy at this stage.
I should also add I work as hard as my partner for my increments as she does her bonuses. I pay more into my pension than she does. Go update your public vs private sector cliches
If I was you I’d look at the pay of someone who works in IT in the private and public sector before making such silly comments.
We already pay our ps a premium above that of those who work in the private sector when the average across both sectors are looked at they also have a pension, annual increments and job security I think that is more than enough of a subsidy, if we are looking at England can we bring our public sector pay down and have the same gap between the 2 sectors with regards to wages??
Do you have any understanding that the whole of the working population feel the same that they should be able to live near to where they work and teachers in particular a lot of whom are turning their noses up at correcting work over the summer want to be subsidized.. Thanks but no thanks. What about people who work in areas like research for new drugs for cancer its very rare for the public sector to be involved here and its usually private sector who find these should they also get a living in Dublin allowance as you know its so important for the greater good. Where do we draw the line. What about the coffee shop worker who if they cant work then the teacher cant get their morning coffee meaning a knock on effect to their performance and the kids suffer where is the line.. its crazy stuff. If you or any other worker wants to live in Dublin pay for it yourself
I don’t need to move to London, I don’t live in dublin but I have some basic understanding to realise that a government needs to provide basic needs such as education and health care and if their employees can’t afford to live near their work the greater public suffer.
but sure as long as you are alright in your city/town/village than heaven forbid taxes don’t directly benefit you
Feel free to move to London then
That as a citizen is your right to use or not to use the facilities in Leitrim, but there will be substantial amount of tax payers using those facilities, in the situation being outlined the only person living in the house ie the gard, nurse or teacher are the only ones benefiting and the people paying are running the same race and jumping the same hurdles with regards to affordability. So are we allowed compare private and public or is it only when its suits the narrative from the public sector side? Can you show me one company hiring someone with a subsidy for living in Dublin that has our countries debt and deficit or will I be told you cant compare, yet it seems some can when they want?
Are you telling me that no working or middle class private sector earners live in london?
The pupil/patient should still benefit from a teacher/nurse who is not being subsidized for buying a house in Dublin, the nurse and teacher still gets paid a fairly good wage without this subsidy being given, how people on here cant see that this as as solution is unworkable and unaffordable is crazy. We would have Dublin schools almost exclusively for public sector workers and the very rich from the private sector only and everyone else gets to pay while commuting to Dublin for work. Thanks but no thanks
The thread has already become derailed again after a few hours 😀
Right, so pupils don't benefit from the work of a teacher?
Patients, nurse?
etc etc.
Do you really expect posts as idiotic as these to be taken seriously?
We were having a good thread here without the usual public sector bashing.
But I’m never in Leitrim to use those facilities so how dare they get tax payer money for it. It’s just as ridiculous as your outrage that necessary roles shouldn’t be subsidised in some way to make them attractive. This happens in the private sector too, maybe you think some private companies shouldn’t offer heath care to their employees as you don’t get it.
A school and / or road can be used by any tax payer looking to use them. A house being subsidised by everyone else for a teacher means the only person benefiting is the teacher so its a completely different argument and unworkable and unfair as there are plenty of people in both sectors who would like to live in Dublin but guess what , they cant afford it.
Its the same with every other profession both public and private, why should one profession be singled out? Do we move everyone out of Dublin and just let the public sector have it my god I have seen it all now guarnteed pensions, increments for nothing more than sitting on our hole and job security now we can move everyone out of Dublin and just slap the 400k odd Public sector workers into Dublin sure they are worth it David Ginola must be their leader. This kind of argument is phucking mental. The whole country is feeling the pinch with regards the price of housing and the cost of living, just because the ps have access to the media does not mean their need is more severe. What about Bus drivers, IT pros, pharmacists or coffee shop workers or any other phucking job that has to be done in Dublin?? Its been like this since the property market was born if you can afford it go for it if not then tough that is how this game is played dont expect someone else to pick up the tab of a life choice you have made, make your choice if Dublin cant get teachers then those coming out of college and who have access to mums and dads house will take your spot or Dublin parents will have to send their kids to school in the country and let them pick up the tab. Tax payers being asked to pick up this kind of sh1ts is just bananas when nearly 4/5ths of the population live outside the county in question.
Also its been noted on here how things are quiet with regards to the pay rises. Its because the numbers do not stack up and there is the mother of all recessions coming.
That's a very silly post. Have a think about it.
That’s such a flawed argument, with that logic a school would never be built or a road repaired in Leitrim because the population is too small and other tax payers are subsidising it and people chose to live there so why should the tax payer contribute to basic needs of its citizens
So people in any other county but Dublin deserve to pay a higher rate of tax so a teacher, Guard or nurse can live in Dublin while everyone living in the real world lives where they can afford, go and do one. Its a personal choice that no one should be asked to pick up the check for, other than the person who lives there. If you want to live there pay for it yourself.
Yes they do have the same options as everyone else to either live in Dublin and pay the high costs or move somewhere else and pay lower costs. It appears as though the issue is that they are choosing not to live in Dublin and as a result they are unable to recruit people to work in Dublin schools and offices.
If they are teachers (because that's who the article is about) aren't willing to do the work in Dublin on their current wages, then what can we do to get them to stay in Dublin apart from paying them a little extra to cover some of the additional costs.
So Dublin people don't deserve to have schools, healthcare or gardai.
Idiotic post.
It's funny how people automatically equate "schools" with "primary schools"
At second level, parents very much do care and not just in the LC years
My own view is that FF/FG and the vast majority of parents don't care if there is a teacher (qualified or not) present just as long as the schools are open.
It is not the case that the unions were complicit in introducing a 2 tier scale but it is the case that they were complicit in not doing enough to prevent its continuation. INTO and the TUI do as the government tell them to do.
not surprising at all. The government are telling the general public its ok inflation is temporary so only a few once off bits for the general public in the up coming budget so how stupid and ridiculous will it be for the unions and gov to give themselves a bigger payrise on something that they are cowing to everyone else is temporary. The jig is up as the other major issue is there is a recession on the way by the end of the year and with a huge amount of job losses coming in the private sector the money will simply not be there.
It's really surprising that the unions aren't maintaining a presence in the media and building on the momentum that was there in June. The economic situation is still good but it's unlikely to improve. Now is surely the time to strike a deal.
I'd also like it to see it reflected in pay quickly. The bills have already gone up. A pay rise in December is just too late. I'd prefer a lower raise immediately, rather than 1% more next year.
Leo (who is admittedly not always correct) said something about a response going back to the unions that'll be more favourable so I think somethings in the works. Hopefully soon, just saw the cost for my heating fuel is up 120% on last year so it'd be nice to know something extra is coming.
The unions must have some plan other than just waiting on the government to make the first move.
Again I completely agree.
Because for some reason people think of the CS in the abstract not as people who provide them with their social welfare, passports etc.
A week or two without either and they'd start to see the necessity of those Depts.
