How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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What's a WUM?
Edit had a look. I'm not trying to wind up . Maybe I'm wrong and am actually very far behind in what I thought average or ordinary workers are earning.
Well the average full time salary in ireland is 49k , teachers , nurses ,garda average would be around this figure. They are average ordinary workers. You have people on minimum wage in factories etc and then you have people in IT , neither groups are ordinary or average.
OK fair enough my mistake. I thought the average was lower. The mid 30s range.
Are public sector salaries not on average 30% higher than private sector?
Anyone can join a union. It's their legal right. As has already been pointed out on the thread.
Insulated public sector workers? Insulated from what? Certainly not the rapidly rising rate of inflation and cost of living. More big price increases in energy announced.
If anyone is detatched from reality its those who think public servants aren't "real ordinary workers".
Who, by the way, are taxpayers too, because apparently that also needs repeating.
And you have majority of people in multi nationals on average 60k a year and you wouldn’t get a tradesman earning less than 800 pw so what’s your point? We have one party in Dail whose TDs only earn average industrial wage and they seem to be managing fine .
You have got the wrong person. Maybe you cant read.
Lots of different jobs. Factory workers on shift would earn relatively similar to nurses, gardai, customs etc.
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Here is 2019 data:
Mean earnings = 48,946, for full-time workers, and that includes overtime, bonuses, etc.
It is not the average basic salary.
TD wages is 100k approx.
No TD is paid less than that.
What TDs do with their wages is up to them, but they are paid 100k approx.
They are not paid average earnings.
This is 2019 data.
2019 data on average hourly earnings.
Very strong argument for a substantial rise for civil service ICT staff on the basis of those figures 😀
Yes same.
Go away.
they are all still facing almost 10% inflation and rising this year
But set their own rates.
I suspect the market does that.
I'm pretty sure when you ring a plumber or an electrician for a quote they have a big say in what rates they're going to charge you.
And what they say will be dictated by the market, unless you think that the reply you receive will be without limit. Tradesmen charge more at the moment because demand is high, supply is low, some years back it was the opposite as there were no housing developments being built, supply was high, demand low. Surely you understand the principles which underscore the difference in what they charge now compared to a few years ago, and why they don’t charge €10k an hour.
Oh whatever.
The fact is if Paddy the Plasterer decides he'll be upping his rate from €85 per hour to €100 per hour on Monday morning, there is nothing to stop him.
ie. he sets his own rates.
The rest is justs the usual muddying of the waters.
You are something.
Yes Paddy can raise his prices if the market will support it, but there is a limit beyond which the market will not pay. So Paddy is being paid what his labour is worth if he is being paid what the market will bear, but go beyond that, Paddy doesn’t work if no one will employ him.
No need for the personal abuse.
Blocked.
and word will soon get out that he is acting the b* - only so long one gets away with that unless you have some sort of distinctive capability others dont have
You called me an idiot.
Why did you edit your post?
mar dhea we'll just end up being paid whatever the market will bear at the end of these pay talks so
one wonders why you are so upset at the prospect a mhic
oh let me guess. the market is perfect when its plumbers or private health centres but you've major issues with it when it's public sector wages- what a surprise.
there is no pure market price set for anything in almost the entire world but especially not in a complex interdependent highly regulated and stabilised political economy in the modern first world and anyone spouting "the market" is pretty much a fool
just had occasion to actually check out the CO/EO scales
tbh I'd be more against the weighting of increases here vs HEO than ever as a result.
CO goes up to 41k and EO up to 53k and the idea that HEO starts below that is nonsense. HEO is a reasonable level of responsibility that calls for the management of significant resources often under pressured and unideal circumstances and its simply disrespectful to have it held back to a level where its just EO higher-higher
if the govt has to take action for people earning at the lower end of these scales (agreed that they should) it has to do so as a govt making lower paid work worthwhile, not as an employer simply eradicating the pay difference between lower grades and more senior management.
2.5% a year rise just wont cut it...
Agree with that a lot - reducing the gap between grades will also act as a disincentive to go for promotion and develop talent from EO to HEO or AP for example. If there isn't a sufficient difference in compensations for increased management responsibilities, you can't blame people for not wanting to take on the increased challenge - this could mean a lot of unfulfilled potential from people who would make great HEOs and APs etc and maybe even go on to senior management. You need to have a right pay structure to encourage this development imo
Unless they do something about the pay at CO level, the grade they'll end up having to get rid of is CO - as no one will want to enter on 25k and spend years getting to a living wage (or at least one that allows them to rent in Dublin).
There is no guarantee of promotion, and if the future follows the same pattern as the past, and we go into recession, pay freezes and embargos will follow, so people could see themselves stuck at those pay levels for years.
We've already had COs resign because they can't live on the money.
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