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Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Why would people be upset with having nanotechnology in them?

    What's your concern about it? Does it lead to the safety issues that have been claimed in this thread?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    @Fighting Tao It's only 10am in the morning and you're already six feet under, hahaha. Come back tomorrow and try again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The bet was that restrictions would be dropped by 31st July, they actually dropped much sooner than that (I was expecting early summer), you're a pathetic little welcher with the backbone of an earthworm so it's not surprising, this will stick with you, the mocking will be permanent.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Hmm, show me the message where I said 31st July. Still waiting.

    You also got mixed up by saying it was €100, when you stipulated €50. Hardly have a reliable memory, do ya? 😄

    I'll donate to your Covaids fund just to stop you from crying, ya broke (astro)fool. Couldn't even afford 1k to bet initially 😄



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    @astrofool You'd want to maybe get that memory checked out, for real. Worried about you. Neurological issues are known side effects of the jab.

    I'll fund a trip to the neurologist, if you agree to v-log the whole experience for us. Genuine offer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    The largest association for myocarditis following the Moderna jab was 44 times higher risk for persons aged 18 to 24 years.

    As for the Pfizer shot, in relation to the same age group, the risk was 13 times higher.

    Infection with the covid virus yielded, by comparison, a 9 times greater risk of the same condition.

    Risk is growing with every subsequent so called "booster".


    New peer reviewed study from France.

    ----------------------------------------------------

    The study analyzed 1,612 cases of myocarditis and 1,613 cases of pericarditis in France from May 12, 2021, to Oct. 31, 2021, involving 32 million people aged 12 to 50 years who received 46 million doses of mRNA vaccines.

    It is limited by using solely hospital discharge diagnoses. Therefore, it does not include those who may have died before being hospitalized or those whose symptoms were not severe enough to be hospitalized.

    “There have been reports (pdf) of autopsy-proven myocarditis after vaccination and anecdotal evidence of patients being dismissed by ER and never being hospitalized. Adjusting for these excluded subsets may yield even higher risk than reported in this study. Follow-up of the patients in this study was limited to one month after discharge. However, a previous cardiac MRI study found about 75 percent of patients with vaccine-associated myocarditis can have persistent MRI abnormalities 3–8 months after initial diagnosis,” Verma said.

    The authors of the study didn’t analyze the effect of booster vaccination since it is not yet recommended for young adults in France.

    --------------------------------------------------




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Something tells me that DrFrost isn't a real doctor. Unlike the real doctors, surgeons, nurses and other medical staff working with my wife - all of whom are vaxxed and have been at the front line of this virus since March 20. Be gas if DrFrost engaged with real medical professionals to gauge their opinion on this, other than the grifters who've seemed to get squarely inside his head



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Respect to all healthcare workers, but your wife and her colleagues had no choice. No vaxx and they would of been demoted to menial office work.

    Next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The mocking will be permanent 🤣🤣 (the bet was for usage of the COVID pass domestically, so I think your memory might be the one at issue here). You've already welched once and tried to reduce the payout, you can join the twice impeached president by being a welcher two times over.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Sorry, could you point out where in that study that they state:

    As for the Pfizer shot, in relation to the same age group, the risk was 13 times higher.

    Infection with the covid virus yielded, by comparison, a 9 times greater risk of the same condition.

    Risk is growing with every subsequent so called "booster".

    I can't find that claim in it.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If you read the top of the message, I said originally I hadn't stipulated 31st July. The original messages and bet was €1k, for the year. Meaning, literally the whole year, not half the year. But you couldn't afford that, which is fine. Anyway, in those later messages with you, I see I agreed to throw a token gesture €50 at your Covaid funds "if there's no more fuckery up til July 31st". No worries, I'll do that. That wasn't the original bet or date, though. Its not 31st July yet, anyway, so calm yourself down.

    Also, what you mean by "mocking"? You're in no position to mock anyone on anything, hahaha. Going on as if I give a flying fck about €50 😄

    Are we going to make an actual bet then or what? Can you afford 1k now for escrow? 1k says you're not around to collect it in five years time, lol. Survive til 31st July 2027, and you take it. No collection by one week later from that date, I take your money. Will buy a loaf of bread with your $1k and feed the birds. Inflation and all that, lol.

    I'll be rooting for you to make it, genuinely. Think of it as an investment in yourself 😄👍🏻



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    You're putting unnecessary conclusions in your head again. I just don't think there was enough time with creating the vaccines.

    As I said you guy's think money can buy time, so who's delusional is questionable really.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    @astrofool

    That offer above is subject to you being (verifiably) triple mRNA jabbed and receiving all of your subsequent boosters from here on, as per government guidelines.

    You've been a very vocal supporter of all these mrnas whilst shouting down anyone expressing safety concerns, so you should have no problem now putting your money where your mouth is 😉

    If you refuse, you're either broke, or a fraud.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Upset? Nope.

    The fact that you can’t answer what should be simple questions on Schwabs imaginations about the future that you believe just shows how you can’t reason in your own mind why you believe everyone will have brain implants in 10 years time. Critical thinking is not a strong point at all for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    What are you trying to say? It appears that I have hit a nerve by showing how idiotic your beliefs are. If Schwab imagines that the world will end tomorrow by what you have said in the last few pages, you would 100% believe it. Talk about being stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I guess the crypto crash has made the welcher cry :)

    A bet is a bet, you lost, pay up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    You may need to read what I quoted. The whole post, not the last paragraph.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not if I fully sold the traditional cycle top last Nov/Dec, ya complete dummy 🤣 Not that you'd understand anything about asset markets, considering you can't even afford 1k for a bet, lol.

    Relax yourself, I'll honor the €50 token donation to Covaids on 31st July; that's fine.

    Now, are you going to accept the bet that you'll survive five years of mRNAs, or are you exposing to everyone here that you're either broke and/or a pathetic fraud? 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It was €100 (but if that's too much, €50 will do), I expect the receipt on 1st August :) (and odd about wanting to pay in crypto after selling in Nov/Dec while you made the bet in January, but that is par for the course).

    I will be on boards.ie in 5 years time, providing boards.ie is still around :) 22 years of vaccinations and going strong.

    Very odd to attack someone about money after 2 attempts at bet welching, the lady doth protest too much.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    You might post a link to back up that assertion. No mandatory vax for health care workers. Any healthcare worker demoted for not taking it, the unions would have a field day. 🙄

    Post edited by Pinch Flat on


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sigh.. This was your response to the original bet (won't link properly for some reason)

    17/12/21, 12.11pm. #24940, Relaxation of Restrictions Forum:

    "I'd do 50 for a bet, whichever charity, can post the donation, passes gone internally by July 31st (they'll still be needed for international travel). I'm betting against there being any new significant variants between now and then of course :)"

    As you can see, you said 50, not 100. Maybe your memory is fckd from those vaxxes. You're a (presumably healthy) 22 y/o and pumping these mRNA's into you? Madness, but whatever.

    Anyway, re: your crypto comment; this is why you should never talk about stuff you don't understand 😀 When "cashing out", one commonly sells/exchanges their crypto for what are known as "stablecoins". A stablecoin is the equivalent of a digital dollar. The price is pegged to the actual US Dollar and doesn't go up&down like other crypto assets (hence the name stablecoin"). To use a simple, hypothetical example, let's say some basement dweller anon (we'll call him 'Dohnjoe') sells 1 Bitcoin in November for $65k. He is selling his 1 Bitcoin for 65,000 USDT (Tether, one of the US dollar stablecoins). He can now keep that 65k Tether in his digital wallet. Remember, the value of his Tether stablecoin never changes. Bitcoin then goes down in price over the next 12 months (a "crash", as you say) and Dohnjoe can buy back in much cheaper later with his $65k. This is the fundamentals of crypto trading (or trading most assets in general). Buy low, sell high. Besides holding in a digital wallet, Dohnjoe can also choose to cash out to real, actual fiat US dollars (or euros, in our case) through a bank. So, to use our bet as an example, I would of transferred $1000 USDT from a digital wallet to an escrow, and instructed you to do the same. It's clear now that setting all of that up with you anonymously would take quite a while 😁🤙

    I don't care if you're broke, honestly; that's your own business. I just wanted you to put your money where your mouth is in relation to mRNAs. But you won't/can't do it. That makes you appear weak and uncertain. Injecting this stuff into you, but can't afford a 1k bet for easy money? You're doing life all wrong, mate; ya got it all back to front 😀

    I just searched COVAX, anyway. That's a huge operation connected to GAVI and funded by the likes of Governments, Bill Gates etc. They don't need your 50 donation, trust me. I'd rather burn a e50 note on camera. Select an animal shelter in your town/city instead. I'll double it to 100 for that. For real, money much better spent/needed there. If you still insist on COVAX, I'll put 50 in, as originally requested. Leave the ego aside for this one 🤙



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Easy enough to link back:

    The bet (it was indeed 50, funnily enough you talked yourself down to 50 later 😉)

    I'm not sure if the person who has proven to be so wrong that they made and lost (and wouldn't pay out on) a very public bet is the to be talking about weakness, looking back through some of your older posts from the time is hilarious. I'm also happy with COVAX as the recipient.

    Though am interested in what was behind the "without saying too much" as it sounds like you might want to talk about a conspiracy there.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Strange of you to insist on half the money to "COVAX", as opposed to double the money to an animal shelter of your choice. One receives hundreds of millions of taxpayer money, whereas the other usually struggles to stay open and pay staff. You're really all-in on this mRNA stuff.

    Re: weakness, you are publicly backing down from a proper bet on your continued existence past 2027 😄 I would of thought someone so sure of themselves and continued mRNA treatment would be running around borrowing money to fund the bet. Alas not. Offer still there if you change your mind or can get sorted in next few months.

    Anyway, I'll hit you up over next few days with a receipt after I donate to pedo Jeffery Epstein's friend Bill Gates, and his cronies. Fck sake 😄



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    How do you know they are vaxxed? There is lots of medical staff including consultants doctors and nurses that are not. (You assume they are vaxxed)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    The extreme pro vaxxers believe drugs will solve everything. Unfortunately as we head in to another Covid wave it is blatently obvious that the vaccines have certainly failed on transmission. Hospitalisations are nearly at peak levels despite 93% of the adult population being injected with mRNA at a cost of billions. We were told the mRNA vaccines could be tweaked within weeks to deal with variants. We were sold a pup,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,124 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    What exactly is your point?

    Can you come out and say it?

    Would we be better off facing into this wave without mRNA vaccines? Nope.

    So what's your point?

    As for "extreme pro-vaxxers" if I called you an extreme anti vaaxxer or insidious anti vaxxer how would that advance the debate? Cut out the pointless nonsense.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    My point is the vaccines have not worked. Omicron worked and spread like wildfire creating immunity. We will never know on the vaccine situation as 95% of the population has been vaxxed. And we are still showing record rates in hospital and ICU's and deaths are to follow. Your last point is relevant. There is lots of extreme pro vaxxers like King Mob Astrofool and igotajab and Extreme anti vaxxers like buzzer. There is no room for critical thinking or a moderate opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,124 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The vaccines have not worked? So over the entire course of the pandemic they didn't reduce deaths, hospitalisations, severe covid?

    Nope. You don't even try to back up this big claim with any evidence. Because you can't.

    Moderate opinion? Nope. You don't have a moderate opinion. There is nothing moderate about it. Just false.

    It's very easy to refute your 'point'. Are you better off encountering a covid variant unvaccinated than vaccinated? Better off encountering Alpha without a vaccine? Delta? Omicron? Even if it wasn't true for Omicron (reader it is most certainly) it would not invalidate the earlier benefits.

    If you are going to make that claim based on 'critical thinking' presumably you have some evidence to support it. SO where is it?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone



    The irony of the virus mutating less dangerous and the facts that the vaccines didn't stop transmission should be enough evidence of the power of the needle craft.

    Most people who have sense can observe that monumental cock up.

    I don't know why some of people who post here cannot understand that.

    I suppose it was worth a shot in the dark, they tried but failed to stop the transmission.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    Yes you are ignoring the elephant in the room. It is July. We are heading into the winter with rampant covid spread despite mass vaxxing. The vulnerable have died even prior to vaxxing. They seem to have reduced deaths but a lot of the vulnerable would have passed in the early years of Covid. Where are these specific variant orientated mRNA vaccines we were promised? Or as Pfizer said the regular one is ok so they dont see the need to develop (spend money on) a new one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,124 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I'm a bit confused about the combination of points \ questions.

    The vulnerable have died even prior to vaxxing.

    Yep, that's the whole point of vaccination.

    We had 7500 deaths accountable to covid so to say "a lot of the vulnerable would have passed" doesn't add up. I think you need to distinguish between vulnerable to severe covid \ needing ICU versus the very frail who are coming into their final innings. In the first wave of covid, as I have noted already, the cohort with the highest numbers in ICU was 55-64 and the median age in ICU was 60.

    Omicron is highly transmissible and we have no real restrictions in place. Without vaccines we simply couldn't carry the level of cases as the translation from cases to cases needing hospitalisation would be too high.

    Coming up with the template for a variant specific vaccine is quick. Producing quantities of the vaccine and rolling out mass vaccinations in time to meet that variant is not. The vaccines target the spike protein and this gives durable protection against severe covid and a temporary boost to protection against infection.

    There are plans in place for Omicron specific boosters but by the time that all rolls out... there could be another variant.


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    Im not going to go in to all your points as its late but anyone over 70 does not generally go to ICU. Deaths from Covid do not come from ICU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,124 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Anyone over 70 does not generally go to ICU?

    Nope. I don't know where you are getting your information from as you provide no sources, but it doesn't add up - again.

    In Wave 3, ICU admissions:

    65-74 years 260 26.7

    75-84 years 132 13.6

    I refer you to my previous point, which you have provided absolutely no evidence to refute:

    The vaccines have not worked? So over the entire course of the pandemic they didn't reduce deaths, hospitalisations, severe covid?

    Nope. You don't even try to back up this big claim with any evidence. Because you can't.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭hometruths


    The vaccines haven’t worked as intended.

    Why this is still up for debate is astonishing. The evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable.

    A year ago, when people thought they were working as intended: “Chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan has hailed the “near-elimination” of Covid-19 among those who are vaccinated.”

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/dr-tony-holohan-hails-near-elimination-of-covid-19-among-vaccinated-1.4596086

    Last week he was writing his final letter as cMO to the Minister in which he told him that 100% of the patients in hospital because of covid were all vaccinated to some extent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,124 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The vaccines worked as intended. They worked at preventing severe covid and deaths and provided a temporary boost against infection and transmission.

    Anything else was bonus territory which is why after hundreds of posts you still haven't got a point.

    Some of the hopes for them didn't pan out but that is an entirely different thing from saying they didn't work as intended. They worked as intended by their developers.

    By the standards of other vaccines, have the vaccines worked? Yes.

    Had we known the vaccines would work as they have done would they still have been rolled out? Yes.

    Had the vaccines worked less well than they have done would they still have been rolled out? Yes.

    Are the vaccines unsafe versus the risks of covid? Nope.

    Would we be better off without the vaccines? Nope.

    So what's your point? You don't have one. Just irrelevent quibbles.

    You have nothing.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Had a recent bout of heart inflammation?!

    Probably been spending too much time gardening so.

    "Soil contamination is a less visible danger to human health than dirty air," said author Professor Thomas Münzel of the University Medical Center Mainz, Germany. "But evidence is mounting that pollutants in soil may damage cardiovascular health through a number of mechanisms including inflammation and disrupting the body's natural clock."

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220701102754.htm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    So are you saying the vaccines aren't safe? (finally, on the safety thread...)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    All irrelevant points. Omicron defeated covid by being less severe and becoming the dominant strain. Stop giving vaccines the credit for this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol and now we're again being pulled off on a tangent with claims that the vaccines don't work to distract from the failed claims that the vaccines are dangerous.

    We'll come back around to danger when all the claims of ineffectiveness fail again.


    Also seems like you guys all missed this study that was posted eariler:

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00320-6/fulltext

    Results

    Based on our model fit to officially reported COVID-19 deaths, we estimated that 18·1 million (95% credible interval [CrI] 17·4–19·7) deaths due to COVID-19 would have occurred without vaccinations worldwide during the first year of the COVID-19 vaccination programme (Dec 8, 2020, to Dec 8, 2021). Of these, we estimated that vaccination prevented 14·4 million (95% CrI 13·7–15·9) deaths due to COVID-19, representing a global reduction of 79% of deaths (14·4 million of 18·1 million) during the first year of COVID-19 vaccination (table 1). These estimates of vaccine impact do not account for the potential under-ascertainment of deaths related to COVID-19.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Still no such thing as extreme pro vaxxers.

    You guys however have been claiming many silly thing about the vaccine. Recently the topic of magic spells was brought up in relation to them by one of your fellows.


    You keep vaguely hinting that you don't support this or that version of the conspiracy theory, but not once have you challenged or disagreed with any conspiracy theorist here.


    Who are the "extreme anti vaxxers" in your opinion and what have they claimed that you don't believe?

    Buzzer has already been banned, which is why I think you feel safe throwing him under the bus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Tin foil hatters never disagree or argue among themselves about which conspiracy theory has more relevance or credence. Once it's a conspiracy theory it's accepted without question.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "Declaration of interests

    ACG has received personal consultancy fees from HSBC, GlaxoSmithKline, and WHO related to COVID-19 epidemiology.

    Acknowledgments:

    This work was supported by a Schmidt Science Fellowship in partnership with the Rhodes Trust (OJW), Centre funding from the UK Medical Research Council (all authors), grant funding from WHO (OJW, ABH, PW, and ACG), Gavi, The Vaccine Alliance, and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (JT and ACG), support from the Imperial College Research Fellowship (PW and ABH)

    ---

    So, vaccine study, funded by groups with financial interests in said vaccines, returns favorable results. Sounds about right.

    Meanwhile..


    😄😄😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Ok. Do you have anything to suggest that this study is fraudulent? Which parts do you believe are false?

    How much did they recieve to make these false results? How did this escape peer review when you were about to deduce it?

    Why would they announce this fraud where people could see it?



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    Cop on, man, would ya, ffs 😁

    Are you actually triple jabbed? What waxx did you take?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    You've dodged my questions. You can't answer them because your accusation is false.

    Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    Isn't it amazing how all this is staring people in the face and they still can't join the dots.

    They still haven't even progressed to colouring books yet .



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Here ya go.

    "Healthcare staff who refuse to be vaccinated face redeployment under proposals being examined by the Health Service Executive.

    Staff who fail to confirm they are vaccinated could be moved out of patient contact depending on the outcome of a risk assessment, under proposals being finalised.

    Healthcare workers who are not vaccinated could escape being redeployed if they cannot be replaced due to staff shortages or specialised qualifications"

    Was serious coercion in there last year and many staff "redeployed" due to vaccination status. How do I know more about this stuff than you, when your wife is supposed to work there 😁




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Cognitive dissonance etc.

    "It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." ― Mark Twain

    Whatever, anyway; most of em have taken it at this point. Ya see the compilation vids of all the jabbed newsreaders etc fainting? I thought the following fall was part of her show; only bit of the joke that made me laugh 😄 Turns out it was legit. Fractured her skull. Some timing.

    Saw an interview with her later where she said she was going to lay off the jabs for a while, lol.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    The person who has joined those dots believes that absolutely everything an octogenarian imagines will become true.



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