The rock and block will have been handled and contaminated by multiple people at this stage. They didn't exactly do a stellar job of preserving the scene. My guess is they are looking to see if they can accumulate enough circumstantial and hearsay evidence to justify sending Bailey to France to serve trial there.
On the plus side, I'd love to see them charge that fool Nick Foster for interfering with an ongoing investigation.
finally heard the son acknowledge problems with the garda investigation.
i can't find it now but an article, in the indo i think it was, yesterday, said the MVAC extraction method would be unlikely work in this case. I cannot remember why
Ffs.
If they do find his dna then that’s actual forensic evidence, something never before discovered in this murder, so yeah it will be big news alright. I’d love to see that happen.
Its a very different DPP now though & to top it off, this is a commissioner that's had domestic violence as a key issue he wanted to address since he assumed office. Bailey has been convicted of this crime at least once so I can only imagine his attitude towards him. If they find so much as a slither of his DNA anywhere on the crime scene, it'll go to trial imo as there's no one else really in the picture & even if there was compelling evidence that a gard or another party committed the crime, they wont acknowledge it because it wouldnt only be an embarrassment for the gards but also a national & international embarrassment too.
I dont believe for one second the people investigating this case are out to find the truth, they're out to save an already discredited force & improve relations with the EU's second strongest economy.
bailey is a narcissist
He is making his own documentary now https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/sick-of-being-commodified-ian-bailey-plans-own-series-on-sophie-toscan-du-plantier-murder-41699307.html
The only place his dna could be at this stage is the rock and concrete block, and only if they use the MVAC extraction method. Hopefully they’ll find it.
To be arrested for a third time they’d have to have enough to charge him, that’s the law. Which mean’s they’d need a lot more than previously as the file was rejected by the DPP twice.
Harris seems to think it could lead somewhere anyway
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/garda-commissioner-says-review-could-help-identify-west-cork-killer-1328259.html
Bailey should be very worried now imo, his DNA is likely to be all over the scene. God knows what he touched and left a trace of in the aftermath. This could be enough to trigger a trial. Any protection he had from the DPP is gone, foreign political pressure, a force that want to get him, I think he's very close to getting a trial. If they have anything at all, he'll get the trial, if he doesnt, then I dont believe they had anything anyways and are just hoping to appease their bigger European counterparts.
Michael Martin's comments are relevant and interesting especially as he comes from Cork himself. He's said previously this case is a stain on Ireland & that he has huge sympathy for Sophies family & that it needs to be brought to a resolution after speaking to Macron. Thats telling imo, Sophies family have always been adamant that Bailey committed it & as he was found guilty in a court in France, Macron will back this up. Its all pointing in one direction.
A missing Diary? Or A confession?
Without fresh evidence, where are you going...??
For me, it's either some DNA has been extracted from the block, or basically it's a busted flush.
The very suggestion that somebody had a brain fart, and can now recalls some damning information from 30yrs ago just isn't happening...
I suspect with the amount of money being pumped into this review, there must be an endgame in mind?
They'd hardly have the ball's to set up Bailey again, nor will they tarnish any member of the force... It's probably an exercise to appease the French which will fizzle out over time.
No DNA - No cold case result!
Wasn’t there dna on her boot that didn’t belong to Bailey?
this review is good news, I can only assume or hope they must have something new or else they wouldn’t bother but who knows.
bailey is a narcissist, compulsive liar, woman beater and pedo (according to folk on Twitter who’ve posted screenshots of his disgusting messages to a 15 year olds account). He fits the bill based on that. Even if he’s innocent of murder I’ve got zero sympathy for him, he’s inserted himself into the case and seems to do anything for a news story.
Sheridan Doc says the blood on the door was Sophies. I think i saw elsewhere there may have been some alien DNA in that sample too. thatcould have been anyone who touched the door previously and then Sophie's bloody hand touched it
As much as I'd love the murder to be solved, I think its more than a little optimistic at this stage, even if they're able to identify the DNA on the block & stone, the crime scene was so contaminated in the immediate aftermath, its difficult to see how it could properly be used against the perpetrator unless he was an individual from outside the area but even still. Sure Bailey himself was all over the crime scene not long after he found out about it.
If its the garda, I seriously doubt they will want it to come out & will no doubt close ranks & bury it like they did with a lot of other evidence. This is more of an attempt to implicate Bailey & bring him to trial due to French political pressure imo. We have a different DPP now, one who seems more keen than ever to bring people to trial even if they didn't commit a crime so I would imagine any new evidence that links him in anyway or even a statement from another aggrieved local could result in a trial.
He's written three letters to the Garda Commissioner asking for a cold case review but the old adage, "be careful what you wish for comes to mind".
'Alien DNA' was found at murder scene, says Bailey - Independent.ie
The article without paywall (if it works my linking privileges seem to have disappeared) I remember reading about the alien blood in a French forensic report but Google seems to have memory holed it.
Philip Watson - Journalist
Philip Watson The Telegraph Magazine 14 November 2020
"The only alien DNA detected was in blood recovered from the back door of the house; the identity of that sample remains unknown"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/14/murder-west-cork-irelands-notorious-crime-unsolved-24-years/
Bailey makes me very uncomfortable. He's attention seeking, narcissitic and sleazy. His twitter feed has recently featured pictures of a young woman with his comment "sex on legs" attached (tweet since deleted). He has a history of domestic violence. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty but I can understand why he loomed large in the Gardai's minds, he just can't help himself. The multiple changes of story would be a cause for concern but fuzzy memory sometimes goes with the territory if you have an alcohol problem like he does.
https://www.thesun.ie/news/4139543/sophie-toscan-du-plantier-chased-unplanned-french-prosecutors-trial/
"The victim was found in her nightclothes. A trace of blood compatible with the victim’s profile was found on the outside of the back door."
I like the idea of maybe being able to abstract DNA from the block that Sophie was assaulted with.
Looking back at 1996, is like looking at the stone age now. Mobile phones were the size of house bricks and hardly worked, so one can only assume the advances in modern forensics has catapulted to a whole new level.
If DNA can be extracted, it may not lead directly to the killer, but it could rule out who wasn't the killer.
I'm guessing this review will be looking at the original investigation, and the many flaws that are obvious. My question would be, how helpful will the Guards be? Blue on blue and all that stuff....?
If DNA can be linked to an individual, that's hitting the jackpot - Everyone's a winner (maybe not the perp).
What if the DNA is linked to the Guards? Can you really see that being broadcast on the RTE News at 6?
If somebody can be identified through DNA, blood, hair or any other substance collected from the murder scene, I would hope the full weight of the law is brought down on them, whoever it is.
The French investigation said it was "alien blood" i.e. did not match any samples they had. So I won't be editing anything.
Your first line is incorrect and because you are misinformed, you have concluded that the killer cannot be Bailey and that the killer put the blood on the door. Why don`t you edit? Some people actually believe every bit of bulls**t that they read.
The blood on the back door was Sophie's. Whete are all the pro bailey multiple reg trolls
The blood on the back door handle did not match IB or STdP either.
Either the perp went back up the hill to go into the cottage for some reason (or close the door) or the perp closed the door prior to the struggle going down the hill.
Why would a killer want to close the door?
Also where are all the "hang Bailey" trolls gone? it's almost like their concern was to close down the investigation rather than an interest in justice.
Looks like they are concentrating on the rock and the block.
It's also possible that GARDA conduct is being reviewed. The team checking if the full review was warranted spent 6 months talking to the investigating AGS members as well as reviewing the case files. They might be able to prove negligence or deliberate GARDA malpractice.
The boot DNA I wouldn't discount either it's discussed over here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderAtTheCottage/comments/qbn23e/the_dna_on_sophies_boot/
At the very least they should be able to build a database of those close to the scene and cross reference the sample against them. Why not add in a descendant of the mystery guard and Alfie Lyons and the leading suspects from France. The kinda of stuff you would have expected them to do in the first place.
It's a long shot to put your chips on any DNA being identified..
Realistically, no matter how big of a pratt the horny Guard was, the Family won't want to bring any trouble to the door now he's dead.
As for Jules... Nothing happening there. She could have pulled the trigger on Bailey many, many moons ago if she had anything on him. The domestic violence was extreme and nobody would have blamed her for dropping him in it..... If she had anything on him that is?
There was so many missed opportunities back in the day, too many officials blinded by the certainty that Bailey did it.
The original investigation was a disaster from start to finish, I was amazed they didn't try to pin it on Lord Lucan. (Name him, shame him, find the supporting evidence later)
I hope Bailey gets fully vindicated, he has a quarter of a century now with this hanging over his head.
As for Sophie... I fear justice will never be served upon her murderer... Maybe if the French authorities looked a little closer to home....??
Alfie Lyons has died as well. The mystery letter writer to Nick Foster was from Schull where Shirley now lives, coincidentally.
The article I read cited two reasons for restarting.
1) Forensic science has evolved - Maybe the mystery boot sample can be tested.
2) Family circumstances have changed - the detective is now deceased maybe the family want to share the confession - alternatively Ian isn't with Jules anymore so many they are hoping she will implicate him.
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