Armagh have shown their true colours once more, they have been at this shite for years.
Hopefully the Armagh board wont be appealing the upcoming penalties against this incident like they did against Donegal.
I'd love to see it, you think a bunch of intercounty players would turn on a copper if he waded in giving them a dose of the baton? They'd wise up sharpish.
I actually cant believe it, like they would have been given out to for remaining silent but that would have been a 100times better.
You seem to be saying that there was only one Garda in all of Croke Park last Sunday , is that it?
And obviously in the scenario that there were 20 people fighting on the street, and only one Garda present, then they call for back-up.
I have sympathy for where he is coming from. There has been a number of gouging incidents in rugby in this country and there wasn't a peep from anyone in government because they didn't want to upset the the private school, barrister brigade who really run this country.
That ape Pat Kenny having a cut turned my stomach as well, he would really look down his nose at the country folk boxing each other from his Dalkey perch. He didn't make noise when it happened in rugby either
I wouldnt begrudge Galway to win it to be honest. They might be our rivals but in the greater scheme of things it would be good for the game. Definatley better than back into the dublin dross.
However, that doesnt change the fact that comer is not an innocent party and all things being equal, should probably face sanction also.
Super post. I agree wholeheartedly. I read Darragh O Se's article and cringed..
This whole incident shows the GAA in its worst possible light. Victim mentality. Not taking responsibility for wrongdoing. Blaming "outsiders" and "the media" or more specifically "social media", which is only a variation on a long-standing theme.
How many times in the past were there incidents of thuggery like referees being assaulted after club matches or brawls taking place on the sidelines after which officials of the clubs in question made defiant statements about "trial by media" and "unfair vilification of great servants to the club and the game blah blah blah"?
Darragh O'Shea in today's Irish Times being given the best part of a page to say effectively "butt out of our games, especially if you're a self-seeking politician" This appeared below a headline which implied "the worst thing about this was..." Now granted, O'Shea probably had nothing to do with the headline but his annoyance at outside commentary on the incident was palpable.
Don't wish too hard for public indifference to your game, Sir. You might just get it.
I predicted earlier in the thread that this would happen by the end of the week, that poor Tiernan would be defended and what a great fellow he is.
No surprise Armagh camp defending their man. Galway be the exact same if shoe on other foot.
Thuggish behavior needs to be firmly called out no matter who is at it.
And that goes to on the pitch and off the pitch behavior. Far too much you hear the bullshit "part and parcel of the game." In he real world assault charges would be brought for some the thuggish behavior you see on GAA/Rugger and soccer pitches.
There is very little deterrent because too many people defend and turn a blind eye to thugs!
The whole GAA disciplinary process is just a reflection of the Irish mentality regarding a lot of "trivial" laws; where having laws is right and proper, but enforcing them is just fundamentally unreasonable.
I was reminded of the same mindset this morning while listening to the radio, the guest was talking about environmental crimes, polluting rivers, destruction of wildlife, burning gorselands and mountains etc. and how in other countries these are treated as serious offences with the offenders being seen as criminals. Here in Ireland though, while the public would agree we need environmental protection laws, they'd also feel it to be unjust for anyone to actually be brought before the courts for environmental crimes.
Similar in the GAA; nobody would ever want to remove offences like striking another player or contributing to a melee from the rulebook, yet whenever it happens it's dismissed as "handbags" and "excitement after training for months" and we're told it'd be wrong to actually enforce the laws except in extreme cases.
The laws are supposed to be an empty gesture, a theoretical deterrent; and if they're broken there shouldn't be any consequences.
😁😁 who said anything about 'drawing batons'?
It was a handbags at dawn pushing match mostly. A uniformed Garda intervening with powers of arrest would have calmed things down much quicker.
I agree on Kelly, the absolute minimum he should get is a year, but I don`t believe Armagh management or their county board should be allowed to walk away scot free. I also agree that the disciplinary structure is unfit for purpose and contributed to this by allowing Armagh get away with it after the Donegal v Armagh league match, but with this being the third time this year the Armagh county board and especially management aren`t blameless either.
I would not agree though on this lumping all Ulster teams as nordies with a victim mentality. For the Donegal v Armagh melee Donegal, unlike Armagh, accepted their punishment. Ulster championship football has always been tough and physical, but in general has had no more thuggery than any of the other three provinces, and nothing like the level that was happening both on and off the pitch on Sunday. Go through any county panel past and present and each will have lads that were/are no angels and far as I recall the last two players at this level accused of attempted eye gouging were not members of "nordie" teams but of the two most successful championship teams in the country.
True.
That was about the 5th yellow card offense Morgan committed in the game along with a deserved red for hitting Walsh.
Funny to see so many people think Comer started it because that's when the TV coverage starts.
Just shows how hard it is to referee a game, turn around 1 second too late and you'll miss the original incident and think the reaction is the start.
A few simple rules that would stop melees:
- put someone in a headlock or put your hands around someone's neck - automatic red card and 8 week suspension, with any missed by ref, given by CCCC after.
- pushing, shoving, shouldering off the ball - yellow card
- goading, roaring in face - yellow card. Currently it's a black card but Aidan O'Shea on Sunday was the only time I saw it implemented. Black is probably too severe and that's why it's never implemented.
Laois and Offaly were planted too. So we are also "the most important region in Irish history"!😉
Its perfectly acceptable for and commendable for lads on the pitch to try and be peace makers and calm it down as you well know.
Imagine a Gard drawing a baton and wading in? I think I'll leave it there as this is a nonsense conversation.
There were plenty wading in on their own to calm the handbags down. The Gardai just stood there.
Sorry what???? Tiernan has been and always will be a great ambassador for our club? Good god.
Agreed - that’s what tear gas/pepper spray is for.
launch a canister into the melee and it won’t be longer before it dies out- or maybe a water cannon
They haven't said they condone what he did.
What's with the delay in announcing his punishment? Are the GAA hoping it goes away when talk moves to the all hurling semi finals.
Yeah absolutely. Theyve shown their true colours.
What if 20 people on the street were involved and there was one Gard near it.
Perhaps somebody who is/was a Gard could answer this but I'm pretty sure their training would not involve wading into a mass brawl on his own.
Seriously,you'd have to worry about some people on here and their versions of real life.
Like I said earlier in the thread, when someone shows you what they are, believe them.
Good god , have anyone seen what his club has had to say? https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/armagh-gaa-club-hits-back-at-unjust-and-unfair-vilification-of-tiernan-kelly-after-apparent-eye-gouge-attempt-41799734.html
Thats armagh for ya.
GAA hypocrisy enabled this to happen, nobody ever properly punished for scumbaggery , lads getting off in appeal for BS reasons because it would be fair them to miss the semi final/final they’ve been training for, etc
could do with less of the victim mentality from the northies too, scumbags all over the country but definitely a higher concentration and willingness to excuse outright thuggery from that quarter.
If Kelly isn’t banned for at least a year (misssing next year’s championship) it’s a farce
hell get off on appeal because of a comma in the wrong place or one of the disciplinary committee wearing a striped shirt or some other BS as usual
What was one Garda going to do in a melee of about 30 players? Start lashing the closest players with a baton?
It's true, and if two people on the street (in the crowd) started fighting you'd imagine they'd be arrested.
Would be funny if it does … I have a couple of Mayo pals and there good lads but they have told me straight up they wouldn’t be able to handle Galway winning an all Ireland after they have being so close for the last decade ! I think for some it would be nearly worse then them losing another final .. if we beat Derry they will really start to panic !
The 'fear' in Mayo is beginning to kick in. It probably won't happen.. Then again it might...............
This nonsense has been trotted out by a few clueless people including yer wan on The Tonight Show on Virgin Media.
So a row is happening between a large group of males,all physically strong lads and going at each other,you expect a one Gard on his own to wade in there?
I was sat a few rows back,it was the worst row I've seen in Croke Park since Mayo Meath in 96 which I had a good view of aswell.I imagine a Gards training would say if he's on his own not to wade into a crowd of 20 lads fighting.
He should be looking at cooling his jets playing basketball or something for most of his career, the dirty tinker.
If the GAA won't deal with this carry on after the whistle then they should be the ones sanctioned.
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