Follow it to €5 a litre. It’s all tax deductible.
An extra helping of fucked. They are going to have to do something about diesel cost.
It is going to strangle farming, transport etc.
Whatever help we get now won’t be worth talking about when they though 2 cent a litre on green was acceptable a few months ago.
It is strangling everyone. The paye worker that has a good commute is getting hammered too.
Not really a robbing fooker if you had the option to buy it somewhere else cheaper
I thought the same about the local petrol station last week. The robbing fookers had diesel at €2.12 so I continued onto the next one that was at €2.04. Now the prices have reversed, the cheaper garage is at €2.22 now. I usually throw €20 diesel into the car and it used to do me a few days for all the driving I do. This morning I'm just after getting 9 litres for my €20.
The whole thing is fcked. idk how the likes of anyone doing travel to get to work is coping, you could easily be burning through a couple of hundred worth of fuel a week. I think the only hope is to get one of those hybrid electric or fully electric cars. They are expensive though but at current fuel prices they are cheap long to medium term
I have a long commute. 3 hours a day (240km round trip) that I make 3-5 days a week.
Diesel can run to 120 just for the work run. A new electric car is 40-50 odd k it seems and you still have electric on top! Not cheap! Hard to justify the “spend to save”.
At the current fuel prices it costs less than half the price of Diesel to do the same mileage with an Electric car. New Diesel cars are coming in around €30k new for your basic VW or Ford models. You can get new Electric cars from €25k. So it is actually very easy to justify switching to electric now
Fiat 500e €24,995
Opel Corsa-e SC €27,322
Renault Zoe Ze50 Play 56kwh €27,750
Nissan Leaf XE 40 €28,145
Peugeot e-208 50kwh: €29,105
Hyundai Kona 67kwh €30,995
Mini Cooper SE €31,715
Volkswagen Id 3 Life €32.966
Kia Soul €37,513
Hyundai Ioniq €38,495
BMW i3 €39,695
Skoda Enyaq €39.495
Volkswagen Id 4 €45,110
Some decent options there infairness. I suppose in relation to my commute I need something comfortable so a small car doesn’t fit the bill as such. Need the big battery also so must of the small options are out.
The thought of 3 hours a day in corsa makes me feel ill. But that said I am sure their comfort levels have increased since I was last in one 20 years ago.
Id say half the costs is understating it. More like 1/4 to 1/3 I think. I might look again. Just bought a caravan so that has soaked some of my loose cash. My wife made the point “change the car for 50k……change your **** job”.
Its a good point….😅
Fair commute - what sort of a car do you do that in at moment ?
I'd say them prices must be from last year, I am in the market for some of these but the prices are a good 5k+ higher than your list even after all Government grants and VRT back. Having said that I also think the savings on electric Vs Diesel are much more than half now, I think its costing about 1/3rd to run if you use the ESB charge stations with membership
1.58 for green during the week.
If it was just the oil price that was the issue you'd be paying about 50c less at the pump. Oil and the supply of oil is not the main problem, it is refinign capacity.
Russia used to refine 40% of europe's diesel/kerosene with huge refineries in Kallingrad.
Currently the refining margin on diesel & kero is $67.
So effectively a barrel of oil with 159L is costing $177 from the refineries. Equates to €1.07 per litre. Add carbon tax of 11.1c, NORA levy 2c, distribution and delivery 15c, and vat @13.5% and you are at €1.54 for agri diesel
This week last year, refining margins for diesel were under $5/barrel (admittedly this was loss making - average is $9-$10), so the refining issue is costing an extra 43c per litre compared to last year (47c for road diesel @ 23% vat)
Paid 1.65 for green yesterday, nearly 70 euro to fill 2 cans for the tractor
No and what would u call him so?
He can charge what he wants as it's his business, it's your decision to give him your business or not
Correct but his till a robbing fooker which is what I said
Not really, he's running a business not a charity, he'll soon go out of business if he keeps charging too much for a product
OK whatever u think,you win the end
You'd think a farmer would grow their own fuel on some land?
In some countries they do, look up the diesel tree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copaifera_langsdorffii
I was thinking along the lines of plain old rapeseed. Grow it, press it for the oil, use cake as feed. Nothing new of course, but why isn't everyone doing it.
A tillage farmer I know worked out he would need 200 acres of rape for his own needs. I think he had about 1000 acres so 1/5 of the land would have been needed just for diesel. Rape has to be grown in rotation as well.
jaguar xe auto.
but looking at electric today again. Man maths in overdrive.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/farming/arid-30969644.html
I thought it produced around 800 litres per acre. 200 acres would be a lot of oil
Takes 15 litres minimum per acre to sow the crop. Add in spraying, spreading fert, combining, drawing the rape seed, drying it, baling rape straw, drawing it and disposing of it. You wouldn't be long getting to 50 litres an acre. That doesn't include the myriad of other jobs that crop up like hedge cutting, delivering straw to customers, hauling dried barley, wheat and oats, road diesel for farm and domestic usage. It also doesn't include driving machines to far flung out farms.
Dealing with the crops on that 1000 acre farm is 50,000 litres.
Look up your figures again. In Ireland winter rape seed will produce the highest yield of oil per acre,that comes in at 550 litres per acre at a yield of 1.7- 2 tonnes per acre of rape seed. That is an excellent yield on the crop so 500L would be more realistic.
That means 100 acres of crops for his machinery to sow, spray, fertilise and harvest his crops, assuming very good yields. Add in the other various jobs plus road diesel and you would get to 150 acres soon enough. Then add the cost of the infrastructure to process the oil. Its a non runner Toby.
I am not trying to insult you here, but your initial post was typical of somebody looking in from the outside at farming, or any other business, with no understanding of the costs of production.
A quick google is saying about half that in a good year.
Could be half of that in a bad year.
So between 40,000 and 80,000 litres produced, which wouldnt be an aweful lot for a big tillage farmer or contractor.
To fill 3 200hp tractors would be in excess of 1000l.
Combine or self propelled forage harvester would be 1500l.
Probably need to be filled every couple of days when busy
A great example of how our civil service is destroying private enterprise
Wasn't the rule of thumb from the days of the horse that he would eat 1/3 of all the oats harvested?
And it was always not the horse that deserved the oats that got it
