How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Ah go away. Troll.
eh well they will get their pensions I wont so we are not in the same boat. The fact is there is a huge shortfall in the funding the public sector pension that has to be covered. Its not frustration its a fact that these payrises have to be paid for and I can see 3 ways of paying and all 3 incur costs for everyone else.
Its not resentment its a waking up to the fact that when the public sector get a pay rise it has to be paid for by increasing borrowing or/and taxes and we have been borrowing as a nation for the last 14/15 years to the tune now of 250 billion. Its also to make people aware that the piper for all this borrowing will have to be paid and when interest rates go up (and they will be going up) we will be paying out a lot more just to service our debts.
Did it occur to you that thousands of families in this country who work in the public sector are IN THE EXACT SAME BOAT?
Or do you think they are coasting along comfortably, not impacted by the current rate of inflation, increased fuel costs, increased energy bills, spiralling food costs, trying to pay childcare, rent etc?
Are you also aware, that public sector workers also pay tax and PRSI at the same rates as anyone else? and that their children will be "taxpayers of the future" too?
As someone else said, if your gripe is really about YOUR OWN pay and conditions, it would suit you better to start fighting your own corner with your employer for better pay and conditions, rather than taking your frustration out on public sector families who are doing the same with their employer, so they can support their families.
There you go 2019 report and 2016 over 99.7% satisfactory definitely goes to show its hard to not get your increment. I have no figures after 2019
Civil Service Management Board Annual Report 2019
2016
It has all been mentioned but I wouldn't blame you for not going back through it all. I think it's time to get the thread back on track.
Nobody is mentioning that inflation causes tax take to go up.
Or that most of any public pay increase will come straight back to the exchequer in tax.
But anyway. This isn't the "why public servants should work for free" thread it's supposed to be about the pay talks.
No doubt there will be a better offer but not much better, unions will urge members to accept and it'll be narrowly voted through with a couple of unions like ASTI or maybe those med lab staff who were on strike recently holding out, at least for a while.
Net result, I get poorer
govt surplus projected to be 1.6 billion euros this year so yes workers should of course be properly paid to allow for rampant inflation
The practice of rating performance on PMDS by numbers ended years ago, and was not the only reason someone could be denied an increment.
Again, showing your lack of any current or even fact based knowledge.
You've been on about public sector pay for over 10 years on Boards. You seem to spend so much of your time at it. What on earth caused such resentment?
Well I will you seem to have the position to be able to get the figures if you can produce them it would put the argument to bed
Of course it was.
As I said, I don't need to look up any figures, I have hands on experience as a manager in the civil service.
But hey, you can believe your friend if you want too.
As a previous poster said , best to stop feeding the troll. What do people think the outcome of the talks will be?
Your joking right your initial sentence is a juxtaposition that can only exist in the public sector. Figures going up is not a payrise - REALLY. So ask the question. Does it cost your employer more ? YES , do you come out with more money for doing the same job? YES. Ye know the auld adage. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck its a duck. An increment to any sane person is a rise in the amount the employee is paid ergo its a pay rise..regardless of inflation. So maybe you can answer the question where do we get the money to pay for the pay rises?
Well it is hearsay I have no idea why she would lie about it she works in the PS and laid out how the system works and that its very rare to see someone not get their increment no matter what way that person works. It would be good if someone had access to the data it must be there somewhere.
Sorry that's why I pay PRSI I pay my own way there to that tune. Not to mention other income taxes. You see this fight is about my own pay and conditions as an increase to public sector pay can only be gotten in one of three ways and all three will cost the bog standard tax payer or the future tax payers more in taxes. Also if the public sector do not get pay rises then feel free to leave the same argument can be made if they are struggling
So neither party has the figures but we are meant to go with your word cos a pal told you vs a manager in the public service that does the PMDS scores?
You do have the luxury of others paying your way with regard to state pensions.
Look, you'd be better off spending your time fighting for your own pay and conditions rather than begrudging and trying to tear down those of others.
If you feel they're so we'll off and you're struggling, apply for a public sector role. It's in your best interest
No I cant find them anywhere there does not seem to be any source for % who got below a 2 on their PMDS score
Figures going up do not represent a pay rise. Everyone was a millionaire in the German Weimar Republic even if they were buying a loaf of bread. I doubt they felt their increase in wage due to hyperinflation represented a wage increase.
What represents a pay rise in an increase in (net) wage relative to many factors within an economy - inflation, cost of living, levels of taxation, etc. .
2.5% pay "rises" at a time of 8-9% inflation (or as high as 20% for certain products like energy) is no pay rise for anyone.
I'm sure you know all this but are just one of the anti PS brigade out there.
Some dosser to be working 30 years without a pension ,did you never get any promotions?
Nope just no cash after paying mortgage, creche fees, taxes and all of the other costs of trying to live in the country I don't have the luxury of others paying my way when it comes to a pension unfortunately I was paying in some until I had kids but couldn't afford to keep it going
Have you got the figures of increments that were given???
It wasnt a fool in the pub it was a public sector employee who told me about it. Worse case in their words its delayed if you have a look for the figures I reckon it will back my point up but you don't want to let the cat out of the bag.
Will you give over I have a friend who told me this is the case.
Of course you do 🙄
30 years in the private sector and cant pay into a pension? Sounds like a dosser or a bullshitter.
No, I don't have figures, because I've never looked for them, but as a manager I have seen it happen, regularly. As I said, is that not good enough for you?
You think if someone is denied an increment their Union Rep will sort it out quick smart? HAHAHAHA🤣 That's hilarious.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh at you, but stop listening to fools down the pub. You haven't a notion how increments work, and you show it more and more with each and every post.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - amazing how many not employed in the sector think they have all these "well known facts" about how it works, which are in fact, actual horsesh1t.
That's fair enough. i'm not saying it happens across the board but there are elements of it though.
I dont know a single one.
Where has it been addressed you want me to go as the truth hurts
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