How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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For a lot of people that is a reality, only public servants see wage increases which match inflation as an entitlement.
the idea that the private sector is an ideally functioning machine where performance is perfect or immediately addressed and any failures on a macro level are the absolute responsibility of a govt to swoop in immediately is so blatantly idiotic that someone pushing it in a thread about something else entirely should just be removed.
if nothing else its always pushed by the same people who think govt should be underfunded and understaffed and there is too much red tape
a grown adult who still believes in the market is operating at a level of a 1985 theory textbook and should be laughed at and pointed at until they do better
No I will stand by it. I have worked in the private sector for the last 30 years and its rare to see someone continuously on the doss be rewarded with pay rises the individual may be able to stall, misguide and cover themselves for a year or 2 and get a pay rise but continuously for their whole career there is not a phucking chance.
ok enjoy this argument with yourself chum
I think it's time to stop feeding the trolls.
Who said it was ideal? It has its issues. The 3 main problems I see with the public sector currently are 1:) rewarding the good bad and ugly with increments and now additional pay rises. Look if someone is measured on their performance and are deemed to be a great public servant pay them what they are worth I am all for that and have no bones with hard working employees getting paid their due. 2:) the other issue is as a nation we borrowed 4 billion this year so I asked the question repeatedly so I will ask again. Where do we get the money to pay the pay rises. 3:) the expectation that those of us in the private sector have to cover the shortfall in the costs of their pensions that their contributions do not cover while not being able to put by for your own pension. I think that is really unfair.
Will you give over I have a friend who told me this is the case. Its very rare not to get your increment and if the union are informed the increment is nearly always paid it may be delayed a bit but in the end its paid. Has anyone any stats on non payment of increments in the public sector?
all of this- and again its three things in a one paragraph rant- has been addressed or dismissed.
you are now being treated like a crank troll in this thread- in an ideal world you'd ask yourself why.
quietly, somewhere else.
Where has it been addressed you want me to go as the truth hurts
I dont know a single one.
That's fair enough. i'm not saying it happens across the board but there are elements of it though.
No, I don't have figures, because I've never looked for them, but as a manager I have seen it happen, regularly. As I said, is that not good enough for you?
You think if someone is denied an increment their Union Rep will sort it out quick smart? HAHAHAHA🤣 That's hilarious.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh at you, but stop listening to fools down the pub. You haven't a notion how increments work, and you show it more and more with each and every post.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - amazing how many not employed in the sector think they have all these "well known facts" about how it works, which are in fact, actual horsesh1t.
30 years in the private sector and cant pay into a pension? Sounds like a dosser or a bullshitter.
Will you give over I have a friend who told me this is the case.
Of course you do 🙄
It wasnt a fool in the pub it was a public sector employee who told me about it. Worse case in their words its delayed if you have a look for the figures I reckon it will back my point up but you don't want to let the cat out of the bag.
Have you got the figures of increments that were given???
Nope just no cash after paying mortgage, creche fees, taxes and all of the other costs of trying to live in the country I don't have the luxury of others paying my way when it comes to a pension unfortunately I was paying in some until I had kids but couldn't afford to keep it going
Some dosser to be working 30 years without a pension ,did you never get any promotions?
Figures going up do not represent a pay rise. Everyone was a millionaire in the German Weimar Republic even if they were buying a loaf of bread. I doubt they felt their increase in wage due to hyperinflation represented a wage increase.
What represents a pay rise in an increase in (net) wage relative to many factors within an economy - inflation, cost of living, levels of taxation, etc. .
2.5% pay "rises" at a time of 8-9% inflation (or as high as 20% for certain products like energy) is no pay rise for anyone.
I'm sure you know all this but are just one of the anti PS brigade out there.
No I cant find them anywhere there does not seem to be any source for % who got below a 2 on their PMDS score
You do have the luxury of others paying your way with regard to state pensions.
Look, you'd be better off spending your time fighting for your own pay and conditions rather than begrudging and trying to tear down those of others.
If you feel they're so we'll off and you're struggling, apply for a public sector role. It's in your best interest
So neither party has the figures but we are meant to go with your word cos a pal told you vs a manager in the public service that does the PMDS scores?
Sorry that's why I pay PRSI I pay my own way there to that tune. Not to mention other income taxes. You see this fight is about my own pay and conditions as an increase to public sector pay can only be gotten in one of three ways and all three will cost the bog standard tax payer or the future tax payers more in taxes. Also if the public sector do not get pay rises then feel free to leave the same argument can be made if they are struggling
Well it is hearsay I have no idea why she would lie about it she works in the PS and laid out how the system works and that its very rare to see someone not get their increment no matter what way that person works. It would be good if someone had access to the data it must be there somewhere.
Your joking right your initial sentence is a juxtaposition that can only exist in the public sector. Figures going up is not a payrise - REALLY. So ask the question. Does it cost your employer more ? YES , do you come out with more money for doing the same job? YES. Ye know the auld adage. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck its a duck. An increment to any sane person is a rise in the amount the employee is paid ergo its a pay rise..regardless of inflation. So maybe you can answer the question where do we get the money to pay for the pay rises?
As a previous poster said , best to stop feeding the troll. What do people think the outcome of the talks will be?
Of course it was.
As I said, I don't need to look up any figures, I have hands on experience as a manager in the civil service.
But hey, you can believe your friend if you want too.
Well I will you seem to have the position to be able to get the figures if you can produce them it would put the argument to bed
You've been on about public sector pay for over 10 years on Boards. You seem to spend so much of your time at it. What on earth caused such resentment?
The practice of rating performance on PMDS by numbers ended years ago, and was not the only reason someone could be denied an increment.
Again, showing your lack of any current or even fact based knowledge.
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