How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425200/#Comment_121425200
30 years ago a clerical officer started off at the equivalent of about €200 a week.
If they were refused pay 'rises' in line with inflation and were still on €200 today you could argue that they never had a pay cut. I mean you'd sound stupid, but you could.
I don't think you seem to understand the purpose of increments. The purpose is to save the state money. They get Labour at cheaper rates based on the length of experience a person has given. This is, of course, also true in the private sector but there is no incremental progress and even if there was that would probably be a confidential matter between private employer and employee. In the interests of accountability this is published as an incremental scale on public sector jobs websites.
The incremental changes are also unchanging for many years in certain public sector roles - for example the employee rises in the scale but the salary remains the same. Public sector also have no Christmas bonuses, very limited opportunities for promotion and pay the public sector pension levy (basically a tax for being a public sector worker).
If the state wishes to get rid of the incremental scale then it should feel free to do so. I'm not sure how this would maintain staff or prevent them leaving their roles as public sector employee has no scope from which to ask their manager for a pay rise.
You have developed a persecution complex, the article is about economic growth and inflation, large PS pay increases will feed inflation further based on their research. You guys turned your nose up at a good offer.
Ah the ESRI. Because they're never wrong.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/house-prices-to-fall-by-12-over-next-18-months-esri-says-1.4258075
Ive gone from working in a big 4 firm to the civil service. The pace is a lot faster in my new role. Broad , generalising statements while fun to say on the internet sometimes to irk others are utterly utterly useless in proper discourse.
Public Servants between increments and this other Inflation rise will be getting a far bigger pay rise in 2022 than the vast vast majority of private workers .
Unless your going to be a company CEO young people should be looking to a job in the public sector especially if you like working at a slow pace .
Ah yes, all the usual anti public sector pay deal propoganda summed up in one article.
Not a word said about anyone earning under €150k.
I never read or heard of a single piece of ESRI "research" that goes against what the government want to hear. They're funded from government, they are extremely well paid and the quid pro quo of that is to deliver what the politicians want to hear. Listen on all the news and tv channels today and note they'll be quoted as gospel on all of them.
In your opinion. Of course if they agreed with you, they would be reputable.
The ESRI are a total irrelevance. They're a Paddy think-tank QUANGO full of extremely well paid insiders who hang around with politicians all day who just happen to periodically produce reports that politicians want to read and hear. They're all about setting the agenda from which the likes of RTE, Newstalk, Today FM and others will just parrot out the same information.
Is the amount being paid into your bank account being reduced? Inflation means goods and services cost more, but your employer has not cut your wage.
Between last year and this, how much of a pay cut after inflation are you taking?
Isn't it?
How much are consultants paying you for a suite of rooms in the private clinic you own?
I doubt you'll be worrying about paying your bills this winter.
Employers may see significant benefits in knowing what competitors are paying, and what an applicant is earning before hiring new staff. It would also make it easier to apply downward pressure on wages if it could be known what other companies pay existing and new staff particularly during a recession , so I have no doubt it would be welcomed in some quarters. Published earnings would be based on what is declared, would it make it easier to identify tax dodgers and criminals? Do criminals usually declare illicit earnings to Revenue? I wouldn’t have thought so.
A pay cut is a fair offer? Government is reaping in the benefits of the increased price of energy via taxation and duty yet it appears that people "have to accept" they're going to be worse off because the Government don't believe that inflation should apply to them also.
It's quite impressive for the government to say to its own employees: "Your inflation is 8-9% but ours is 2.5%"
What fuel energy assistance? You mean the odd 100 quid here and there off an electricity bill?
I'd prefer the money in my bank account and I'll manage paying my own bills, thanks.
2.5% is a pittance and to a middle of the scale CO, would be about €14 a week.
As it stands, its looking like social welfare recipients will be getting bigger increases than them. (€20 increase to basic allowances being called for)
Do you think thats fair?
Everyone's income should be public knowledge. The revenue already know - just make tax returns public.
It would sort out any gender pay gap nice and quick and make it easier to identify tax dodgers and criminals.
The arguments against this tend to be self-serving.
I think the offer by government being reported is very fair, the unions are being greedy as usual. People have to accept, both private and public, that wage increases are going to be less that inflation increases, that we are going to be worse off that previous. As well that the public service will also gain from measures in the budget that help the private sector too e.g. Increasing tax bands and fuel/energy assistance.
Good job you have the well run public service health system to rely on.
Couldn't afford them. I'm a civil servant.
The job of the unions will be to answer the questions of the media not only for the general public to hear but for their members also. As a union member myself I would be very interested to hear union justification for signing up to a rise which is well below the level of inflation (i.e. a pay cut).
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Don’t use them.
i think the prices private healthcare operators are charging in this country is a scandal
not only does it contribute to inflation but people would be better off with these services at a much lower price so i think they should all be at say 2005 levels
jesus this IS fun i can see now why a few of ye haunt these threads
who's next. @fliball123 what's your gig son?
Are you saying your union isn’t briefing the media on their negotiations and the reasons supporting a pay rise?
Who's using the media to support their demand for a wage increase?
The media in Ireland are a joke.
you might want a general exchequer thread lad this is about wage agreements between us and our employer
or maybe you ask the people who fund your business how much you should pay your employees?
I am not paid by the Government, what I earn is not a public interest story, I am not using the media to support my demand for a wage increase, there is no chance of me going on strike and discommoding the public if I don’t get what I want. My wage is dependent on performance and market forces etc. As a private individual, my neighbours don’t care what I earn, my neighbours have an interest in PS wage negotiations and the impact an impasse will have on their lives. So Snoopsheep, the situations and public interest is very different, that is why no one cares about my wage, and do care about yours.
correct.
the exact same holds true for public servants salaries fyi.
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Try running a country without police, schools and hospitals and get back to me.
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